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Frankenbuddha - Jul 28, 2004 5:18:47 pm PDT #5115 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

about 95% of the human superheroes were revealed to get their powers from the meta-gene that a certain proportion of people carry

So these would be metachlordians, then?


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2004 5:20:55 pm PDT #5116 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So these would be metachlordians, then?

I didn't even get that far -- I figured it was just mutancy under another name.


victor infante - Jul 28, 2004 5:32:50 pm PDT #5117 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Oh. So do you need an accident to trigger this meta-gene sometimes?

Or, it could be induced, or the person could be a natural mutant, but i any case, the idea is that NOT everybody could develop super-powers, but it turned out to be a larger chunk of the population then they thought.

Barry Allen, meta? Once activated, the powers are hereditary?

Yep. Bart would have the metagene.

Superman, not meta because alien, right?

Right.

And then there are people like John Constantine or Tim Hunter -- meta?

Most magical types weren't effected, but Dr. Fate was for some reason, so it's possible that Tim--whose powers are innate, not learned, may actually have it, whereas John--who's all learned, isn't. But that's a guess.

Aquaman

Wasn't affected. He's half human/half atlantean hybird.

Black Lightning?

Fairly straightforward, yeah.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 28, 2004 5:48:50 pm PDT #5118 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I didn't even get that far -- I figured it was just mutancy under another name.

Pretty much, although the way it manifests can create powers appropriate to the triggering stimulus, or the individual's personality, or (more ridiculously) their names. (Hence Snapper Carr, etc.)

My impression was that the magical characters were a different thing entirely, and that the late 80s version of Doctor Fate was affected because either Eric or Linda Strauss (the host bodies) happened to possess the meta gene in its latent form when the Gene Bomb went off. It's been hinted that Queen Titania might be Tim Hunter's mother, hence the prodigious talent for magic.


victor infante - Jul 28, 2004 5:56:13 pm PDT #5119 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Hence Snapper Carr, etc.

Let's just forget that bit, shall we? DC already has.

It's been hinted that Queen Titania might be Tim Hunter's mother, hence the prodigious talent for magic.

True. I just recall everyone being creeped out by Fate being out.

Still, a number of heroes were completely unaffected, such as Robotman, Starman (Will Payton version, because he had become entirely not human,) All the Green Lanterns, Martian Manhunter, and of course, almost anyone entirely without powers (although the virus CAUSED a few people to manifest latent powers, such as Max Lord.)


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2004 5:57:11 pm PDT #5120 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

although the way it manifests can create powers appropriate to the triggering stimulus, or the individual's personality, or (more ridiculously) their names.

That's worse than midichlorians.

The Ultimate-verse seems to be expanding mutancy -- Spiderman's some sort of forced mutation -- is that true in normal Marvel?


§ ita § - Jul 28, 2004 5:57:37 pm PDT #5121 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

All the Green Lanterns

What about Jade?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 28, 2004 5:58:54 pm PDT #5122 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

True. I just recall everyone being creeped out by Fate being out.

Well, regardless of whatever the metagene had to do with him (them?), you really don't want someone who can turn people into newts with a blink to be having seizures and psychotic episodes.

What about Jade?

Lamarckian magical powers, though they've since hinted that she might also have inherited something from her mom.

The Dominators really miscalculated in that almost all of earth's REALLY powerful heroes (Superman, Wonder Woman, J'onn J'onzz, all the Green Lanterns) weren't affected by the bomb.


victor infante - Jul 28, 2004 6:11:27 pm PDT #5123 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

The Ultimate-verse seems to be expanding mutancy -- Spiderman's some sort of forced mutation -- is that true in normal Marvel?

Not really, but it makes far more sense than otherwise, because really, I can't see how there would be a fundamental genetic difference.


Tom Scola - Jul 31, 2004 12:08:29 pm PDT #5124 of 10000
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