I'd never say that women characters can't be victims in a good story. Hell, you can't have a story at all without some kind of shit happening, and with any kind of fairness, roughly half the shit should go to women.

Thanks, amy, for expanding. This is my thought as well, and I can see how, historically, this fairness hasn't really existed. Though I'd like to see someone make a catalog similar to that in Michele's link with men, just so I could really see the discrepancy. It'd also be interesting to see the reverse for both genders (times when a character does something distinctly heroic, is praised highly, or otherwise has something very positive happen to them).

I watched Adam's Rib last night, so I'm in Try to Make Sense of Gender Politics Mode.

Amych, do you have the last 10 or so issues of The Flash?

Because that's what's really tied in, and re-reading them now, is kind of chilling, especially Wally and Hal's conversation in 207 about what Hal did at Wally's request (this comes after the mindwipe has come unravelled, and Linda has left Wally as a result). "...Batman was partly right, Hal. You crossed over the line. And I let you. Barry didn't know you were going to do it this way, did he?" "I gave you your identity again." "But there were strings attached." "Strings attached?! There are always strings attached. I tried to solve a problem. Perhaps... perhaps the Spectre will not allow it. Perhaps he teaches me to be careful what I wish for... I am sorry, Wally West. I was only trying to help a friend."

Frank, I haven't heard anything either way, but I really doubt it -- there's a lot in the mini that depends on knowing the 'verse, but in spite of all the continuity coming in and what will surely be aftereffects in a variety of titles afterwards, it's been marketed and packaged all along as a self-contained thing.

Ah, too bad. I was hoping they might do a No Man's Land with it.

I was hoping they might do a No Man's Land with it.

The diff is that NML was multi-title all along.

Plei, sadly no -- any idea if they're around virtually anywhere?

Plei, sadly no -- any idea if they're around virtually anywhere?

They might be in a few days... I'll let you know if/when they are.

Chilling moment the second, Ollie and Batman: "I may not like it, but Hal was just trying to help." "Maybe." "What would you have done if you were in Wally's boots?" "The same thing I'm doing now. I'd worry."

In retrospect, there seems to be a lot of set up in here. which, as it's the title that's said to be most affected by the fallout, makes sense.

Was the second also from the Flash?

Oops.

Was the second also from the Flash?

Flash 209.

I think the past event turning out to be Dr. Light raping Sue as a way to attack the menfolk (he wasn't even an Elongated Man villain, was he?) and then chortling and leering about it like a Will Eisner villain from WWII was just too over-the-top for me. I would have much preferred it if something Sue had done personally and proactively—like perhaps figuring out a scheme of Dr. Light's and netting him a prison sentence—had initiated a reason for him to attack her specifically.

That would help offset the "Aha! I have stumbled across [insert hero's name here]'s (a) sidekick (b) love interest (c) pet (d) all of the above and can use it to get at him!" vibe I got from this issue .