Issues like this make my head hurt, because, like Plei, I'm not bothered by it until people say I'm supposed to be bothered by it.

If you'd been around here when I was foaming at the mouth during BtVS S7 (and to a lesser extent, at the damselization of Fred in A Hole in the Word (err... World), you'd know that part of my thing is that I am normally bothered by it. Thus my take that I'm not on my usual side of the fence.

Deeply and viscerally, to the point where my sense that the nasty gender politics of comics has changed is really being pretty badly shaken.

I think another part of why I think it will be addressed is knowing that the Manhunter title is coming out as a result of the events of IC.

Of course, if things go unaddressed, or get worse, I reserve the right to go all S7 on his ass.

A Hole in the Word

This is possibly the most charming typo ever.

And I'm still hoping you're right, but I'd like more than metatextual reasons to believe.

This is possibly the most charming typo ever.

Yes, I appear to need my coffee. I should go pour a cup. Soon. Now.

My comic book store didn't have a copy of Powers, or at least, if it did, it was somewhere where I couldn't find it. Of course, I was going in at 10-to-close.

Now I want it. Grr.

Amych, I see things in the text that lead me to think the way I think (what Hec pointed out is one of them), but they're all tied into the other titles I'm reading, so I'm not sure how much is there, and how much I'm reading into things because of who the key players in the current generation are.

I see things in the text... but they're all tied into the other titles I'm reading, so I'm not sure how much is there, and how much I'm reading into things because of who the key players in the current generation are.

Please, do expand. I have neither the drive full of files the *(&*&%(&$$ summer student minion was supposed to bring back by the end of last week, nor write permission on the server I need to house them on. Work has ground to a complete halt. Discussion would be much preferable to f_w or searching for work-friendly badfic.

Do you think if/when they consolidate IC into a TPB, they'll include relevant stories outside the actual mini-series?

Frank, I haven't heard anything either way, but I really doubt it -- there's a lot in the mini that depends on knowing the 'verse, but in spite of all the continuity coming in and what will surely be aftereffects in a variety of titles afterwards, it's been marketed and packaged all along as a self-contained thing.

I'd never say that women characters can't be victims in a good story. Hell, you can't have a story at all without some kind of shit happening, and with any kind of fairness, roughly half the shit should go to women.

Thanks, amy, for expanding. This is my thought as well, and I can see how, historically, this fairness hasn't really existed. Though I'd like to see someone make a catalog similar to that in Michele's link with men, just so I could really see the discrepancy. It'd also be interesting to see the reverse for both genders (times when a character does something distinctly heroic, is praised highly, or otherwise has something very positive happen to them).

I watched Adam's Rib last night, so I'm in Try to Make Sense of Gender Politics Mode.

Amych, do you have the last 10 or so issues of The Flash?

Because that's what's really tied in, and re-reading them now, is kind of chilling, especially Wally and Hal's conversation in 207 about what Hal did at Wally's request (this comes after the mindwipe has come unravelled, and Linda has left Wally as a result). "...Batman was partly right, Hal. You crossed over the line. And I let you. Barry didn't know you were going to do it this way, did he?" "I gave you your identity again." "But there were strings attached." "Strings attached?! There are always strings attached. I tried to solve a problem. Perhaps... perhaps the Spectre will not allow it. Perhaps he teaches me to be careful what I wish for... I am sorry, Wally West. I was only trying to help a friend."

Frank, I haven't heard anything either way, but I really doubt it -- there's a lot in the mini that depends on knowing the 'verse, but in spite of all the continuity coming in and what will surely be aftereffects in a variety of titles afterwards, it's been marketed and packaged all along as a self-contained thing.

Ah, too bad. I was hoping they might do a No Man's Land with it.

I was hoping they might do a No Man's Land with it.

The diff is that NML was multi-title all along.