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I thought the only people that knew were the ones that were right there, right then.
Yes. The thing
setting off my chauvinism-dar in that respect is Diana being specifically mentioned as one of the one's who can't be allowed to find out. Admittedly, without IC#1 in hand I may be remembering this wrong, or it might be an indication of the narrator's chauvinism rather than the writer's. But my emotional response to the story is pretty much the same as amych's, and I get the feeling that Black canary is being presented as the exception that proves the rule rather than actually de-fusing the sense of sexism
.
I agree with Plei when she says:
the particulars of what they did are pretty not-okay.
If I were one of the participants, I wouldn't assume
anyone would understand who wasn't right there, and even then ... there's the "take no life, mess with no mind" crowd and there's the "well, kill the fuck" crowd. The dicey place is the one where they all stand.
d'oh! I knew there was a reason I was going to start picking up the Flash.
re: your last, Plei, I very much hope so.
It makes sense, at least in my head.
Matt:
Diana is specifically mentioned, but she's specifically mentioned with Clark, and I don't think that's unimportant.
I'd just like to add that Hawkman singled out Black Canary in order to counter Green Arrow's arguments, to get at him directly. Plus, GA was always overprotective in those old stories, and Hawkmanwas always kind of a dick. Oddly, I can't see Hawkwoman going through with this. Which brings an interesting point: about half the League at THAT point is out of the loop: Hawkwoman, Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Red Tornado and Firestorm, IIRC. Wonder Woman, in current continuity, came along later, and they seem to be holding to that. Also, is this before or after anmy of the times Green Arrow quit, and does it underscore the usual tensions between GA and Hawkman. Questions, questions.
Ah, 'tis a coin with two sides. My unfamiliarity with the DCverse means I'm not getting as much out of IC as I could be, but it also means my head hurts less.
Oh, is Hawkman always as cool as he was in IC#2? Because he was kinda hot.
To Victor's point about GA:
I was wondering if Meltzer is going to make this old incident the turning point on GA's "belief" in the JLA, to the point where he started calling them "fascists". That was his reaction in the "Quiver" arc, and it makes a lot of sense to me.
Oh, is Hawkman always as cool as he was in IC#2? Because he was kinda hot.
Hawkman has a very complicated history, which we should not go into. Still, his resurrection story in JSA's "Return of Hawkman" was very cool, and there have been some decent stories in his own title. It helps that Rags Morales (the artist for IC) was the artist at the beginning of hte current
Hawkman
run.
I'm really feeling rewarded for my
obsessive plunge into Flash and Green Lantern this spring, because it's really making me bounce with brain glee that Kyle and Wally would be the ones to underscore just how screwed up this sitch is. I mean, both Wally and Kyle have had similar things happen (Kyle's I almost have to see as two-pronged, because you've got Alex's death, which happened because Kyle was GL, but you've also got Terry's near-fatal beating, which had nothing to do with Kyle, but which Kyle still felt guilty about because he wasn't there when Terry needed him, having just willingly given up Godlike Powers on the advice of many, and this does tie in, but brain working too fast, so it might take me a few posts to explain why), Wally's already been called to the carpet for that Hal-based reality mindwipe, and Kyle got called on overuse of power when he was Ion, and the more I think about it, the happier and geekier I get.