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Polter-Cow - Jul 04, 2004 8:58:49 pm PDT #4577 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

In Ultimate Spiderman 55, Doc Ock's arms talk to him.

Is that part of Ultimate Six ? I wasn't sure if they were actually talking to him, or if he just "felt them calling to him" cause he's a loony supervillain and all.


Kalshane - Jul 04, 2004 9:51:19 pm PDT #4578 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

ita, I'm not sure about the normal Marvel-verse, but in the movie (very minor spoiler for Spider-man 2) his arms are AI-driven and it is implied that they do "speak" to him after the accident.


CaBil - Jul 04, 2004 10:54:20 pm PDT #4579 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

No, in the traditional Marvel U, it was the radiation from the accident that drove Otto nuts. When Otto became Doc Ock, transitors were the cutting edge.


CaBil - Jul 04, 2004 10:55:16 pm PDT #4580 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Also, the first annotated Identity Crisis page has gone up.

The link is here.


P.M. Marc - Jul 04, 2004 11:04:07 pm PDT #4581 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Late 20s?

See Plei.

See Plei attempt to make sense of the timeline (HA!).

Top of my head, recent events put Bruce's parents as dying 25 years ago. The Joker became the Joker IIRC 12 years ago, and pre-Robin Bats is still (last I checked) one of the reasons behind that. Which makes Bruce (depending on what's considered what at the moment, and it seems to shift daily) no more than 22 when he became the Bat. Bruce is being portrayed as about mid-30s at the moment. Of course, Dick is mid-20s. Thinking about this too much will make your brain explode. Warning. Warning.


victor infante - Jul 05, 2004 6:43:18 am PDT #4582 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

There seems to be an ongoing debate among the DC writers and editors as to how old their characters are. Judd Winick, Brad Meltzer, Kevin Smith and others have Green Arrow, Batman and most of the old guard pushing 40, at least. (Green Arrow, particularly, may well be over 40.)

Others seem to want theser characters younger.

Brad Meltzer, in Identity Crisis, upped the ante a bit by having Elongated Man say he's been a hero for nearly 20 years--which means Flash and the other original JLAers have also been active for about that long.

Thus, if, say, Batman was 20 when he started out, he's almost 40 now, which makes a bit of sense. If Dick Grayson popped up in Bats' first couple years, though, he'd be in his early thirties. Which makes sense on one level, but not in the way he's portrayed. I'd put Dick at 23 to 25 or so.

I'd hazard a guess that the current timeline has Bats and the others emerging about 15 years ago (easily rounded up to 20 in casual conversation) with Dick coming on the scene about 10 years ago. Give or take.


§ ita § - Jul 05, 2004 6:48:26 am PDT #4583 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is that part of Ultimate Six ?

I have no idea what Ultimate Six is. All I know is it's Ultimate Spidey #55.

I wasn't sure if they were actually talking to him, or if he just "felt them calling to him" cause he's a loony supervillain and all.

Nah, he's having a conversation with them, but we only see one side, his.

Kalshane -- this issue is one where the Spiderman movie is being filmed, so it could be that they do what they do in the movie simply because of that.


CaBil - Jul 05, 2004 6:51:40 am PDT #4584 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Ultimate Six was a limited series with Spidey and the Ultimates teaming up to take on Spidey's foes (Green Goblin, Electro, Doc Ock, Sandman, Kraven and someone else I forget at the moment...)


§ ita § - Jul 05, 2004 6:56:50 am PDT #4585 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ah, no. This happened in the normal run of US.


Michele T. - Jul 05, 2004 8:30:17 am PDT #4586 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

I think of Dick as being mid-20s, and Bruce as being late 30s. Still doesn't work, timeline-wise, I don't think, but it hurts less.

(I think Batman: Year One has Bruce at 25. And Dick was eight when his parents died. Which also means that Tim's timeline doesn't work, because for him to be so much younger than Dick and still remember having seen Dick perform as one of the Flying Graysons? Not so much.)