And I wonder, what possible catastrophe came crashing down from heaven and brought this dashing stranger to tears?

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CaBil - Jul 05, 2004 6:51:40 am PDT #4584 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Ultimate Six was a limited series with Spidey and the Ultimates teaming up to take on Spidey's foes (Green Goblin, Electro, Doc Ock, Sandman, Kraven and someone else I forget at the moment...)


§ ita § - Jul 05, 2004 6:56:50 am PDT #4585 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ah, no. This happened in the normal run of US.


Michele T. - Jul 05, 2004 8:30:17 am PDT #4586 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

I think of Dick as being mid-20s, and Bruce as being late 30s. Still doesn't work, timeline-wise, I don't think, but it hurts less.

(I think Batman: Year One has Bruce at 25. And Dick was eight when his parents died. Which also means that Tim's timeline doesn't work, because for him to be so much younger than Dick and still remember having seen Dick perform as one of the Flying Graysons? Not so much.)


P.M. Marc - Jul 05, 2004 8:40:16 am PDT #4587 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Brad Meltzer, in Identity Crisis, upped the ante a bit by having Elongated Man say he's been a hero for nearly 20 years--which means Flash and the other original JLAers have also been active for about that long.

Though the Flash Ralph is with when he meets Sue is Barry, isn't it?

(Green Arrow, particularly, may well be over 40.)

How old is Connor supposed to be? I think Ollie's supposed to be older than his 40s, but in a body about a decade younger than he would have been if he'd lived.

Dinah should be in her 30s (mid to late), but we can always go "well, the whole Pit thing re-youthed her!" (She's what, 19? in JLA Year One?)

If Dick Grayson popped up in Bats' first couple years, though, he'd be in his early thirties. Which makes sense on one level, but not in the way he's portrayed. I'd put Dick at 23 to 25 or so.

We could always go by Robin Ages!

It makes as much sense as anything.

Dick's 19 or so when Bruce gets rid of him as Robin. Two or so years of Jason, putting Dick at 21 or so when 13 year old Tim Drake comes in and takes over. Of course, here's where things get tricky, because it would seem that Tim's only 16 *now*, and MAN, I hate when they give exact ages, the silly writers. Anyhow, that would make Dick about 24.

Eh, (waves hands), it's all approximate, no matter how much fun it is to attempt to place a logical framework around such things.


§ ita § - Jul 05, 2004 8:42:30 am PDT #4588 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't care so much about how old any of them are *now*, so much as working out how long passed between milestone events. Trying to line up milestone events next to each other -- sheer insanity.


Michele T. - Jul 05, 2004 11:00:18 am PDT #4589 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Dick as a 24-year-old I can live with -- we can say he's a mature 24-y-o because of everything he's been through. So he was with Kory for basically, 17-21? and then Babs from 22-24? For a man-ho, he's kind of a serial monogamist!

ita, how can you work out how long passed between milestones without trying to line them up? Like, "it's been xnum years since NML in current continuity"?


§ ita § - Jul 05, 2004 11:01:47 am PDT #4590 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Like, "it's been xnum years since NML in current continuity"?

"Now" isn't a milestone event. And it hardly needs to be precise. But Bruce donning the cowl at 18 is very different from him donning it at 28. That's the sort of thing I like to have a sense of.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 05, 2004 12:57:28 pm PDT #4591 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

When Emerald Dawn came out more than a few years ago, it postulated a graying Hal Jordan as having been a super hero for 15 years (probably got his start within months of Superman and Batman emerging into the public eye).


§ ita § - Jul 05, 2004 5:34:28 pm PDT #4592 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm plowing through Batgirl (just finished #23), and I'm loving the things it's saying about Batman. I can't wait to find out if he's right about her or not. But I really think we've been shown he's not.


§ ita § - Jul 06, 2004 9:11:39 am PDT #4593 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Okay, so I'm in love with Batgirl, and may start buying. What I hadn't realised is that when Connor says Cassie is his girlfriend he wasn't talking about Wonder Girl. Too confusing.