Let me go grab my copy of it. . . did you think they drew Tim so v. child-like because of the Jason-hallucination?. I'm not very familiar with how Jason was drawn -- before -- was he always more adult looking?
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sumi - Jul 02, 2004 7:48:31 am PDT #4492 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 02, 2004 7:51:49 am PDT #4493 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Byrne used to be good, right? Can someone remind me when?
His art was good til the mid-90s (and still could be if he'd get a decent finisher who could complete his current 40 minutes to draw 22 pages style). His writing was good when he co-plotted X-men with Claremont, and on Fantastic Four, Superman, and She-Hulk.
He'd be a great writer if he exclusively wrote a series with Niles Caulder vs. Darkseid and no other speaking parts.
P.M. Marc - Jul 02, 2004 7:51:53 am PDT #4494 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Sumi Jason is being drawn in this in the way Clayface-as-Jason looked in Hush, for the most part. An adult Jason that never was, basically, with a side order of issues.
Steph L. - Jul 02, 2004 7:51:53 am PDT #4495 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism
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Kalshane - Jul 02, 2004 7:54:25 am PDT #4496 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
Byrne used to be good, right? Can someone remind me when?
That's what I've heard. Not sure when. All I know is nowadays he's not only lousy but an asshat as well.
sumi - Jul 02, 2004 7:56:33 am PDT #4497 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!
Plei, this fear that Jason will go on to be a worse criminal than any that Batman faced previously was that an actual fear that Batman faced about Jason? -- I've ONLY ever read Jason in the story where he is killed.
§ ita § - Jul 02, 2004 8:01:17 am PDT #4498 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
His art was good til the mid-90s (and still could be if he'd get a decent finisher who could complete his current 40 minutes to draw 22 pages style).
He has a nice, clean line, but a *very* distinctive facial style (I think it's the cheekbones) and that bugs me. He also seems to have five expressions. But his bodies are great (except in Generations, Robin, Batman and Superman all canonically have the same physique -- also irritating) and he has a pretty decent sense of space.
His writing was good when he co-plotted X-men with Claremont, and on Fantastic Four, Superman, and She-Hulk.
Aha! I'm wont to give all the X-credit to Claremont, so thanks for reminding me. Did he reboot Superman a bit? Change some stuff around? I have that vague memory. And I read a little bit of his She-Hulk -- that was kind of fun.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 02, 2004 8:07:20 am PDT #4499 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I think Byrne provided much of the cohesion and focus that Claremont lacks. Bryne completely revamped Superman in the wake of Crisis, though a lot of the old elements have been creeping back in in recent years.
sumi - Jul 02, 2004 8:24:05 am PDT #4500 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!
And I imagine that Bats' fears about Jason are also fears he has about himself and perhaps part of why he doesn't allow himself to kill the villains because he sees in himself the ability to be the most vile murderer of them all.
P.M. Marc - Jul 02, 2004 8:33:58 am PDT #4501 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Sumi: no to your first, well, not exactly, and I'd say yes to your second.