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§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 8:55:55 am PDT #4376 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've always thought of him as being as far from that as it was possible to get.

The decision that it is a good or necessary idea to dress up as a bat and scare the shit out of criminals but never use lethal force on them, as well as train a passel of kids to do the same ... I think a case can be made that "serious defect in judgment" or "inability to objectively evaluate reality" may be applied.

Don't get me wrong. I love him. But I don't love him if he's some guy that perfectly healthily said "Hey! Good idea! Bat, you say?" and went out into the night. Not plausible to me, nor interesting. To be both, he has to be at odds with generally accepted reality.

Not to mention my conviction that Bruce is the disguise and Bats the man.


amych - Jun 30, 2004 8:57:00 am PDT #4377 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

And I'm suddenly wondering how old Dick was when his parents died,

10-ish, with the usual funky DC timeline impossible to date things for sure handwave.

and do we know from canon when/with whom his first sexual experience was,

(trying very hard not to think of the birthday spanking page from Batman 10 right now)

and if not, could someone please write me pre-Batman circus-sex Dick fic?

(Oh, god, brain bleach now please.)


Steph L. - Jun 30, 2004 8:58:09 am PDT #4378 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Okay, then 10-ish -- no circus sex. Ick.

Damn. I really liked that idea, too.


Tom Scola - Jun 30, 2004 8:58:26 am PDT #4379 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Not to mention my conviction that Bruce is the disguise and Bats the man.

That's canon.


§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 8:59:37 am PDT #4380 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's canon.

Is it sane? Is it compliant with our reality?


Thomash - Jun 30, 2004 9:02:40 am PDT #4381 of 10000
I have a plan.

Not to mention my conviction that Bruce is the disguise and Bats the man.

I'm of the same mind on that.

Is it sane? Is it compliant with our reality?

But it's not our reality. It's a comic world with aliens who are the last of their race, ex-goddesses, intergalactic cops and so forth. Batman still always seemed to be the most normal and sane in the face of all that.


§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:05:27 am PDT #4382 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Batman still always seemed to be the most normal and sane in the face of all that.

This is what I mean by divergent canon. I don't think it works the reality laid out in the comics, or they'd be a dime a dozen. He's a damaged man. I thought that was canon too. Damaged and exceptional, but definitely damaged.


Michele T. - Jun 30, 2004 9:09:05 am PDT #4383 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

There's no direct evidence, but it's pretty heavily implied in the last-reboot-before-Graduation-Day version of Titans that Kory was Dick's first. (He has a memory of the two of them as kids, in which she's more or less jumped him in the control room... ah, good times.)


Thomash - Jun 30, 2004 9:12:47 am PDT #4384 of 10000
I have a plan.

Damaged, but using that as a source of strength and focus. And yes, exceptional, which is the key. I don't think there are many other people in the DC 'verse who could have accomplished what he did on his own.


§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:15:11 am PDT #4385 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Damaged, but using that as a source of strength and focus.

How does that rule out psychosis? Just like blasts of radiation might make you or I dead, I think trauma-induced psychosis is perfectly reasonable a fuel for heroism in his universe.