There's no direct evidence, but it's pretty heavily implied in the last-reboot-before-Graduation-Day version of Titans that Kory was Dick's first. (He has a memory of the two of them as kids, in which she's more or less jumped him in the control room... ah, good times.)
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Michele T. - Jun 30, 2004 9:09:05 am PDT #4383 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Thomash - Jun 30, 2004 9:12:47 am PDT #4384 of 10000
I have a plan.
Damaged, but using that as a source of strength and focus. And yes, exceptional, which is the key. I don't think there are many other people in the DC 'verse who could have accomplished what he did on his own.
§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:15:11 am PDT #4385 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Damaged, but using that as a source of strength and focus.
How does that rule out psychosis? Just like blasts of radiation might make you or I dead, I think trauma-induced psychosis is perfectly reasonable a fuel for heroism in his universe.
Michele T. - Jun 30, 2004 9:17:35 am PDT #4386 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
I think we can all agree on "damaged," ita, but "psychotic" seems a bridge too far.
§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:20:39 am PDT #4387 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
YPMV.
The Batman I see operates in a very different reality from those around him. That's pretty much all I need for a definition.
You are more stringent, perhaps, or see him as more commonly grounded.
DavidS - Jun 30, 2004 9:21:27 am PDT #4388 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I think we can all agree on "damaged," ita, but "psychotic" seems a bridge too far.
"Psychotic" has very specific diagnostic meaning. It's for people who hear voices that tell them to do things and other gross misapprehensions of the consensus reality. Batman deviates from the social norm considerably, but he can readily put on Bruce Wayne's tuxedo and mingle and socialize as much as he wants without worrying about the bugs under his skin or whether the CIA is controlling his thoughts.
§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:23:53 am PDT #4389 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Do you disagree with the Britannica definition, or am I interpreting it too loosely?
Thomash - Jun 30, 2004 9:23:59 am PDT #4390 of 10000
I have a plan.
Not being a doctor, I don't know what the dif is regarding psycosis and psychotic, if there is one. You make a lot of points of which I kind of agree with you on.
any of several major mental illnesses that can cause delusions, hallucinations,
Batman is very grounded in reality, doesn't even really believe in magic (should read some of his interchanges with WW in JLA).
serious defects in judgment and insight,
Okay, maybe training children to jump off of skyscrapers while doing a handstand then going out with them to do it and get shot at...
defects in the thinking process, and the inability to objectively evaluate reality.
They don't call him the world's greatest detective for nothing.
§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:25:08 am PDT #4391 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
doesn't even really believe in magic
Dude, there, right there is a red flag in a universe with Zatanna, but I should probably read the exchanges, because I can't believe they'd have him take the stance I'm reading that as.
Thomash - Jun 30, 2004 9:27:26 am PDT #4392 of 10000
I have a plan.
Should have been clearer, many of the issues I've read have him and WW arguing about gods and magic and their validity in the real world. Usually when they're sparring. Blanket stating he doesn't believe in magic was oopsy.