Not to mention my conviction that Bruce is the disguise and Bats the man.
That's canon.
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Tom Scola - Jun 30, 2004 8:58:26 am PDT #4379 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 8:59:37 am PDT #4380 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
That's canon.
Is it sane? Is it compliant with our reality?
Thomash - Jun 30, 2004 9:02:40 am PDT #4381 of 10000
I have a plan.
Not to mention my conviction that Bruce is the disguise and Bats the man.
I'm of the same mind on that.
Is it sane? Is it compliant with our reality?
But it's not our reality. It's a comic world with aliens who are the last of their race, ex-goddesses, intergalactic cops and so forth. Batman still always seemed to be the most normal and sane in the face of all that.
§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:05:27 am PDT #4382 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Batman still always seemed to be the most normal and sane in the face of all that.
This is what I mean by divergent canon. I don't think it works the reality laid out in the comics, or they'd be a dime a dozen. He's a damaged man. I thought that was canon too. Damaged and exceptional, but definitely damaged.
Michele T. - Jun 30, 2004 9:09:05 am PDT #4383 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
There's no direct evidence, but it's pretty heavily implied in the last-reboot-before-Graduation-Day version of Titans that Kory was Dick's first. (He has a memory of the two of them as kids, in which she's more or less jumped him in the control room... ah, good times.)
Thomash - Jun 30, 2004 9:12:47 am PDT #4384 of 10000
I have a plan.
Damaged, but using that as a source of strength and focus. And yes, exceptional, which is the key. I don't think there are many other people in the DC 'verse who could have accomplished what he did on his own.
§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:15:11 am PDT #4385 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Damaged, but using that as a source of strength and focus.
How does that rule out psychosis? Just like blasts of radiation might make you or I dead, I think trauma-induced psychosis is perfectly reasonable a fuel for heroism in his universe.
Michele T. - Jun 30, 2004 9:17:35 am PDT #4386 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
I think we can all agree on "damaged," ita, but "psychotic" seems a bridge too far.
§ ita § - Jun 30, 2004 9:20:39 am PDT #4387 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
YPMV.
The Batman I see operates in a very different reality from those around him. That's pretty much all I need for a definition.
You are more stringent, perhaps, or see him as more commonly grounded.
DavidS - Jun 30, 2004 9:21:27 am PDT #4388 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I think we can all agree on "damaged," ita, but "psychotic" seems a bridge too far.
"Psychotic" has very specific diagnostic meaning. It's for people who hear voices that tell them to do things and other gross misapprehensions of the consensus reality. Batman deviates from the social norm considerably, but he can readily put on Bruce Wayne's tuxedo and mingle and socialize as much as he wants without worrying about the bugs under his skin or whether the CIA is controlling his thoughts.