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victor infante - Jun 12, 2004 2:18:08 pm PDT #3701 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

He means the JSA there.

Yeah.

Don't listen to me. I'm sick and feverish.


CaBil - Jun 12, 2004 2:23:10 pm PDT #3702 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

What excatly is the crisis refered to when things are post or pre - crisis?

Refers to the 12 issue maxiseries called Crisis on Infinite Earths, which was a mid-80s attempt to simplify and organize the DC universe into a single timeline. Many series were rebooted in the aftermath of Crisis to take advantage of the opporunity to get rid of over a half a century of contuity baggage. This is when the silver age Flash, Supergirl and bunch of other characters bought it.

However, the reboot failed to erase all of the problems, and they have done several since, up until the most recent called Hypertime, which argued the contuity didn't have to make sense.

Many of the characters and situations that were erased in the Crisis have since come back such as Supergirl and the many flavors of kryptonite.

Crisis was also the first large scale DC event, which laid the groundwork for later events.


victor infante - Jun 12, 2004 2:24:19 pm PDT #3703 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

What excatly is the crisis refered to when things are post or pre - crisis?

Used to be that the JSA and the JLA were in different universes. All the WWII stuff happened on one Earth, the more recent stuff happened on another. During "Crisis on Infinite Earths," history got rewritten, so there was only one Earth--with no Superman, Batman, et al. during WWII.

Also after reading the TT issues I have-- Green Arrowette? Do writers just run out of ideas to name characters and that's why there's Green Arrowette and Kid Flash, etc? Also is Kid Flash related to Flash?

It's just "Arrowette." No "Green," and she's not a sidekick to Green Arrow at all. The current Kid Flash, Bart Allen--formerly known as Impulse--is from the future, and is the grandson of Barry Allen, the Flash before the current Flash (and also, the current Flash's uncle.) So, yeah, they're cousins. Removed.

Most of the "Kid" or whatever names were created for sidekicks in the 1960s, and were obviously meant to harken to the main character. Unfortunately, they seem kind of back in vogue.


CaBil - Jun 12, 2004 2:31:17 pm PDT #3704 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Also after reading the TT issues I have-- Green Arrowette? Do writers just run out of ideas to name characters and that's why there's Green Arrowette and Kid Flash, etc? Also is Kid Flash related to Flash?

There was no Green Arrowette. Just Arrowette.

Many of these characters came out of the Silver Age. Forgive them, they knew not what they did.

Pre Crisis, Kid Flash was Wally West, nephew of Barry Allen, the Silver Age Flash. Who had the exact same accident happen to him as did Barry to gain the Flash powers.

After the death of Barry Allen in Crisis, Wally became the new Flash. Several years later, through a bit of history that really isn't important at the moment, Barry Allen's grandson, who was raised in the 30th century, Bart, was sent back in time to the modern era.

Bart adventured for a time as Impulse, since he was raised in a virtual environment and had existed for most of his life at near light speed, the term short attention span did not do him justice. After the events in Teen Titans, he took the name of Kid Flash in order to prove himself worthy of the Allen/Flash legacy.

Bart has a cousin still in the future, XS, that adventured with LSH for a time in the 90s comics, but whom current status I have no idea of.

Edit: simul-posting, sorry folks.


askye - Jun 12, 2004 2:33:26 pm PDT #3705 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Is Arrowette related to Green Arrow at all?

I saw a tpb for Crisis on Infinite Earth today. There was a big fat book and then two smaller Crisis 1 and 2. I was tempted to buy them but I didn't.

Also my Longbow Hunters tpb is here! Unfortunately the stupid mailman decided to rubber band all the mail together and it got bent. I'm going to try and weight it down to flatten it out but I really can't complain considering the price.


P.M. Marc - Jun 12, 2004 2:35:14 pm PDT #3706 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Most of the "Kid" or whatever names were created for sidekicks in the 1960s, and were obviously meant to harken to the main character. Unfortunately, they seem kind of back in vogue.

Are there any other than Bart, though? Kid Flash, for Bart, makes sense given Bart-logic.

It's just "Arrowette." No "Green," and she's not a sidekick to Green Arrow at all.

Her mother hung with Ollie and the boys, and it is occasionally speculated that Ollie's her natural parent, though that's (as far as I can tell) based on one line in the *fabulous* Buffy send-up storyline of Young Justice combined with Arrowette's natural abilities. (And maybe also based on the hinting in the letters section of the GA run after Connor was discovered that perhaps there's more Arrowsprog out there.)

(What? Ollie? Randomly sire offspring? That never happens! Okay, maybe just that one, err, two, err... yeah. The old horndog.)


victor infante - Jun 12, 2004 2:38:17 pm PDT #3707 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Is Arrowette related to Green Arrow at all?

Not really, although her mother once insinuated that GA's her father, it's gotta be taken with a grain of salt--Arrowette's mom is often a liar. (Although it's also true GA got around a bit.)

I saw a tpb for Crisis on Infinite Earth today. There was a big fat book and then two smaller Crisis 1 and 2. I was tempted to buy them but I didn't.

I think the smaller books may be something else--the word "Crisis" has been used in a lot of D.C. story titles, all the way back to the sixties.


P.M. Marc - Jun 12, 2004 2:39:03 pm PDT #3708 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Bart adventured for a time as Impulse, since he was raised in a virtual environment and had existed for most of his life at near light speed, the term short attention span did not do him justice.

Though Meloni's personality suggests that it's perhaps Nature as much of Nurture to blame for Bart.


P.M. Marc - Jun 12, 2004 2:40:48 pm PDT #3709 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Not really, although her mother once insinuated that GA's her father, it's gotta be taken with a grain of salt--Arrowette's mom is often a liar. (Although it's also true GA got around a bit.)

I love the fact that this is a crosspost, and that I started my answer before Askye even asked.

And "a bit" is such understatement here.


askye - Jun 12, 2004 2:41:36 pm PDT #3710 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

I'm pretty sure the two smaller books were Crisis of Infinite Earth 1 and 2. Next time I'm in there I'll check.

Arrowette still sounds like a silly name.