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P.M. Marc - Jun 07, 2004 8:33:52 am PDT #3508 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Hey, my beloved fellow geeks! I have an actual question, and not just fangirl burbles.

I've been reading a LOT of Starman over the last week (must see if Dana can be convinced to read this, for there is an argument about Sondheim that she'd love). Anyhow, I was struck by the similarity between what happens with Jack and Mist and what happened with Ollie and Shado in Green Arrow. (Use of whitefont probably not needed for two old storyline, but...) Are there other examples you guys know of where the hero of the piece, while not conscious or aware of his surroundings, is raped/taken advantage of by a previously moderately sympathetic villainess who bears his child as a result?

I'm curious if this is common enough to be a standard trope.


Steph L. - Jun 07, 2004 8:36:51 am PDT #3509 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Plei, are you thinking Nightwing!sprog ???


amych - Jun 07, 2004 8:40:12 am PDT #3510 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

are you thinking

Undo it! Undo it!


Steph L. - Jun 07, 2004 8:42:10 am PDT #3511 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Hey, *she* brought up the situation -- I just applied it to a recent example!


shrift - Jun 07, 2004 8:43:59 am PDT #3512 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Ooh, yay! That was my first Daredevil. It's great.

I liked Guardian Devil well enough, but it's not moving me to become a regular reader. There's something about Matt Murdock's pathos that doesn't quite grab me. Or maybe it's his ethos?

I am, however, happily reading Green Arrow and crushing on Oliver Queen.


Polter-Cow - Jun 07, 2004 8:46:46 am PDT #3513 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I liked Guardian Devil well enough, but it's not moving me to become a regular reader. There's something about Matt Murdock's pathos that doesn't quite grab me. Or maybe it's his ethos?

Bendis and Mack write him much darker.


P.M. Marc - Jun 07, 2004 8:54:44 am PDT #3514 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Steph, actually, I wasn't until YOU brought it up. So there.

It's just something that went swirly in my head as I bagged and boarded things this weekend and thought not-so-deep thoughts. Then I was trying to figure examples in standard literature or mythology as possible roots, but spaced before I could recall them.


Steph L. - Jun 07, 2004 9:08:37 am PDT #3515 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Steph, actually, I wasn't until YOU brought it up. So there.

Heh. Heh heh heh heh heh....


sumi - Jun 07, 2004 9:18:32 am PDT #3516 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Teppy surely the two layers of kevlar provided enough of a barrier. It's not like he has super sperm.


shrift - Jun 07, 2004 9:37:00 am PDT #3517 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Bendis and Mack write him much darker.

I may check out Bendis, then, but I'm actually a bit relieved that I'm not crazy-insane over Daredevil. My batfamily obsession takes a lot of energy to maintain.