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Michele T. - May 29, 2004 7:13:30 pm PDT #3283 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Where and when do Babs and Nightwing make with the nookie, or DCverse equivalents, or is that an ongoing thing from Robin: Year One onward? Where can I read about Babs' changing to Oracle, after Joker shoots her?

Before mid-NML, the Babs/Dick thing is just flirtation, with him being more serious about it than she is. They hook up in like NW 38 or 39. Babs's shift into Oracle is best described in the Gotham Chronicles, which was a run of comics focused on secondary Batverse characters; I think she's in #5.

The whole Jason Todd storyline and the rise of Nightwing both happen before the 90s reboot of Batman, which was very much a post Dark Knight affair, and while they both get mentioned extensively, you could happily get by on just those mentions and spare yourself both the bad attempt at political relevance in Jason's death and the disco astounishment that is Dick's first NW costume.


Michele T. - May 29, 2004 7:14:30 pm PDT #3284 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Serial!

ita, Clark and Bats each know that the other knows. That's canon from the previous series.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 7:20:38 pm PDT #3285 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Aha. Which episode did that all come out in? I don't remember it.


Michele T. - May 29, 2004 7:46:26 pm PDT #3286 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

ita, like I said above, I think but am not sure it's The Batman/Superman Movie.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 7:54:16 pm PDT #3287 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh! That's in canon for the series? Is anything else?


DavidS - May 29, 2004 8:19:34 pm PDT #3288 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This is a somewhat enjoyable story that serves as Two Face: Year One, but other than that, isn't exactly all that and the corresponding bag of chips.

I don't remember saying it was. I thought it was a successful and interesting transition from the realistic tone of Batman Year One to the broader psychological expressionism which characterizes the Batverse today. Not necessarily the individual stories or characters but how I perceive the milieu.


Michele T. - May 29, 2004 8:23:04 pm PDT #3289 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

All of the previous Batman and Superman cartoons by the same team in the 90s are canon for the Justice League cartoon. So, when Supergirl shows up, she's the same Supergirl from, say, "Girl's Night Out" (referenced on The O.C., by the way, and the fact that I correctly identified the episode just from Seth's lines about it should get me at least five fangirl points and a brownie).


DavidS - May 29, 2004 8:24:17 pm PDT #3290 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Emmett's review of tonight's episode: "Justice League is kicking ass!"

Prompted by Wonder Woman's jailbreak.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 8:26:20 pm PDT #3291 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

For future reference, who's the team? I'm assuming that Teen Titans and Batman Beyond aren't in the loop -- those are the only ones I've seen, bar a Harley Quinn ep of Batman. It seemed very different.


DavidS - May 29, 2004 8:30:46 pm PDT #3292 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

For future reference, who's the team?

Paul Dini is the main guy, I think. Batman Beyond is in continuity with the Batman Animated series. They refer to it a lot and have all kinds of fab continuity details. I think Teen Titans would be out of that continuity though.