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Tom Scola - May 29, 2004 4:38:12 am PDT #3254 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The Duck Dodgers / Green Lantern episode is on Cartoon Network this morning at 11:30am Eastern.

Also, the Justice League season finale is finally being shown this evening at 7:30pm Eastern.


Steph L. - May 29, 2004 5:10:08 am PDT #3255 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

The Duck Dodgers / Green Lantern episode is on Cartoon Network this morning at 11:30am Eastern.

Right in the middle of my appointment with my therapist. Bah.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 5:25:09 am PDT #3256 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the Justice League season finale is finally being shown this evening at 7:30pm Eastern

What the hell is up with their scheduling? Boggles.

I did hear advance word on it to the tune of "answers a lot of questions." I didn't know there were questions. My curiosity is double-piqued.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 6:19:04 am PDT #3257 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've been bouncing through the huge Elseworlds download. It makes me realise that I'm mostly art's bitch -- there's art bad enough that I won't stay long enough to see if the story's good -- Scott Lee's work on New Titans Annual #10 was clunky enough I didn't stay long enough to see if the bombastic language had a payoff. Kiki Chansamone on JLI was just hideous. But I also hated Kelley Jones's work on the Bloodstorm series ... but the idea was made clear early enough that I stayed on, and I'm glad I did.

However, the ones that make my eyes cheer -- Dave Johnson on Superman: Red Son (and incidentally I loved the story too), Howard Chaykin on Batman: Dark Allegiances -- these I'm considering buying in hard copy.

It's like a double refresher on characters (damn, JLI was dumb as well as forgettable) and writers and artists.

Fun.


DXMachina - May 29, 2004 6:21:23 am PDT #3258 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

It makes me realise that I'm mostly art's bitch -- there's art bad enough that I won't stay long enough to see if the story's good

I am very much the same way. Nothing takes me out of a story faster than art that I don't like.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 6:54:10 am PDT #3259 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's a distance I can make from art I don't like, but some art I have to grade as crap.

It took me a while to love Sienkiewicz, for instance. He used to be not my thing.

It's the difference between ignoring rules, and not getting them. I'm stunned by some of the art that gets published that's I figure has to be universally reviled.


Michele T. - May 29, 2004 7:15:37 am PDT #3260 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Superman: Red Son is still easily available in stores, and I'd highly recommend it.

As to the art, I like it a bit more stylized than I think most people on this thread do, but I'm definitely more interested in how the words and art work together than in one or the other in comics.


Snacky - May 29, 2004 7:22:39 am PDT #3261 of 10000
Like I need a hole in my head

I've been bouncing through the huge Elseworlds download. It makes me realise that I'm mostly art's bitch -- there's art bad enough that I won't stay long enough to see if the story's good

I think that was my problem with Grant Morrison's New X-Men. Everyone kept telling me how great the story was, but then I'd look at Quitely or Kordey's art and toss the book aside in disgust.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 7:43:18 am PDT #3262 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Admittedly I thought Morrison's story was also on crack, but I disliked the art. Which title was it that had Callisto's arms turned to tentacles? I thought Storm's characterisation was off in it, so it was no fun, but the art was even worse.

No one's done anything interesting with Storm in while, outside of Ultimate, where I think she's an excellent reimagining.

But back to art -- I have the Legends Of The Dark Knight Annual #4 up in another window, and it's about what I'd consider standard art. I'm not thinking any representation he does will be iconic, or make me weep for its beauty outside the context of the story. His characters don't look like I'm expecting them to look, but they're internally consistent, and I can tell them apart. His page layout is thought out beyond the "sequential boxes" stage, but not particularly interesting -- a floating head here and there, and some unbounded frames. Inking's darker than I like it -- I don't think you have to be big blobs of black to be Batman.

Or at least they should be interesting blobs of black -- even when I got tired of Sin City's story, I could marvel at the composition.


P.M. Marc - May 29, 2004 11:18:18 am PDT #3263 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

ita, who did the art on that?

(I'm too lazy to alt+tab and open it. This is sad.)

Also, because I am too lazy to go to the DC site, anyone recall of the top of their head who's coming in to do the art in NW 94, as 93 was Zircher's last issue?