my memory is that he rarely did anything with that intelligence in the way a Reed Richards or a Hank Pym would. He mostly used it to snark.

That's not him anymore. While he's been with the X-Men (post-Apocalypse after he got back his intelligence) he's been the resident lab rat. Dude -- he found a cure for the Legacy virus.

if Buffy hooked up with someone in the X-verse (no, the other X-verse), wouldn't it be somebody even more disreputable than Logan (though he's certainly disreputable)

I don't think there's anyone else with charisma more disreputable.

Plus, Rogue (who I still envision as Anna Paquin)

The Rogue I remember in no way resembles Anna Paquin. First of all, Rogue was an adult, not a teenager, when she joined the group. She also had a pronounced southern accent, and had permanently acquired all of Ms. Marvel's powers (flight, super strength), in addition to her own ability.

(I've been out of the X-loop for awhile, I admit it.)

Re: Kitty's line to Emma about being late because she was remembering to put on all her clothes.

Am I missing some reference, or is the implication she has trouble keeping them on because they pass right through her?

Tell me what I should read!

Watchmen. Cause.

The Rogue I remember in no way resembles Anna Paquin. First of all, Rogue was an adult, not a teenager, when she joined the group. She also had a pronounced southern accent, and had permanently acquired all of Ms. Marvel's powers (flight, super strength), in addition to her own ability.

Same here. Again, I acquired my knowledge via the animated series.

(I've been out of the X-loop for awhile, I admit it.)

I read that he'd been a brain during the Avengers and Defenders too, but I never read those, so I have no cites. The Legacy virus was almost 10 years ago, wasn't it?

Am I missing some reference

Polter, I think Kitty was making a dig at Emma for being sort of half naked in that outfit. More of a mistress than a headmistress.

Aha! Good one. Thanks, DX. (Some jokes aren't as obvious without the tone of voice, huh?)

I agree with DX on the Emma thing.

Though Anna Paquin may be very little like the Rogue of the comics, my brain fails to understand that. And Rogue as originally a villain, it also fails to understand. Because I love that movie (and the sequel) far too much, and never really read the comics befor seeing the movie.

Plus, Anna Paquine is such an incredibly awesome young actress, I can't help but fall for her, and all of her characters. If in doubt, see 25th Hour and Buffalo Soldiers. Not to mention her Academy Award-winning performance in The Piano (at thirteen!)

So I'm very stupidly wanting to say "No! Everyone has to like the things about Astonishing that I did!" which I'm aware is nonsensical. But as I've said elsewhere - I have a tendency to resort to "Well, you're stupid," when something to which I'm emotionally drawn comes up for debate.

The reveal at the end somehow didn't register for me, because it felt like something they must have already done a thousand times during the run.

This happened to my boyfriend too. He was like "So? They've been doing that for years."

What is wrong is me picking up more Marvel titles.

Again I say - mwahahahahahahahah. (Sorry, I'm a Marvel girl, with the rare Batman & Vertigo exception.)

Yeah, 'cause that'll just make me go to a Cerebus place, and nobody wants that.

Whee Cerebus! So fun. ...there are too many comics, and not enough time.

However, this is all moot if Gambit gets to her first.

Rogue v. Buffy... I think I know who wins this one.

Actually, I'm trying to see the point of having Beast in the same lineup as Wolverine since their abilities would seem to fill the same niche. Hank is just more polite than Logan.

Truly, I believe that Joss was like "I want my favoritest characters!" and that's why. Because yes, it doesn't seem to make much sense otherwise.

...Looking @ ita's handbook stuff I'm reconsidering the "Is Kitty a [ fighter ]?" debate. I would say that [ since she has a great deal of fighting skills and a low strength, maybe she's good at what she does, but doesn't do a lot of it. ]

Plus, Rogue (who I still envision as Anna Paquin)

I'm so sorry for you.

Why is Kitty's speed so slow? I would figure the ability to walk through walls would give her some advantage in that department.

Plus, dancer.

First of all, Rogue was an adult, not a teenager, when she joined the group. She also had a pronounced southern accent

This seems debatable to me. I mean, she definitely wasn't 14 as Anna Paquin seemed to be, but 18/19 seems doable no? Anna Paquin tried the southern accent, she just didn't succeed. When a Bronzer was doing his own X-Men casting and made Eliza his Rogue I kinda flipped out on him and said she could never be Southern enough, and some people were like "You can't discriminate against an actor because they don't have the right accent or aren't from the right place" and I was like "I sure as hell can. Ain't no way Eliza can play a Southerner."

Am I missing some reference

What DX said.

Kitty's speed is the speed of a normal human -- that's not under debate.

Kitty gained great fighting skills while possessed in the Kitty Pryde & Wolverine miniseries way back when, but no, she's never lived off it the way Wolverine has.

And I still don't see the Beast/Wolvie similarities.

Rogue v. Buffy... I think I know who wins this one.

Hmm, can Rogue bogart slayer powers as well as mutant ones?