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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Micole - May 18, 2004 10:24:23 am PDT #2919 of 10000
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

Okay, newbie questions:

    • I keep seeing references to Gotham Knights. Are earlier issues of these collected anywhere?

  1. Is there a good place for actual Bverse comics analysis out there? So far this thread has been a bit scattered -- more reaction than theory, which is fine, it dragged me into this despite my great reluctance and a prejudiced conviction that superhero comics are inherently silly unless Alan Moore is writing them. But you all know I'm a theory geek.

    I looked at Usenet, but the signal-to-noise ratio and the indignant fanboy reactions got to me.

At some point, I need to post about coming to the Bverse family this late and from a set of books which focus on minor characters, so that Batman/Bruce is an absent center, sometimes invisible and apparently irrelevant, and sometimes suddenly dominating the characters' head space. It's interesting, not least because without a firmer grip on Batman, I have no idea how much of the characters' reaction to him is projection and how much is observation. Yeah, yeah, character interpretation is always subjective, but ... more of an idea of how Batman sees himself may turn out useful. We'll see.

So far I've been surprised at some of the issues that have been dealt with, which I'd expected to be swept under the rug as story-telling precepts: the privacy issues in Oracle's powers, however lightly touched on, and the moral and practical questioning of the effects of vigilantism on law enforcement. The last is foregrounded in the first Gotham Central trade, and I think it's an interesting undercurrent in the current Nightwing arc.

But looking at the Nightwing commentary out there while having only read Devin Grayson's run on the character makes me feel like I'm going to be stepping into a mine field like a new Spike fan who started watching BtVS with "Bargaining."


Steph L. - May 18, 2004 10:31:16 am PDT #2920 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

actual Bverse comics analysis out there?

Here's my analysis -- the Batman: fucked-up, yo; the Joker: his worldview actually makes sense; Jim Gordon: tough as nails.

t /me = smart-ass


Polter-Cow - May 18, 2004 10:32:36 am PDT #2921 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

the Joker: his worldview actually makes sense

Really? What worldview?


Steph L. - May 18, 2004 10:34:06 am PDT #2922 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

What worldview?

I'm thinking of The Killing Joke -- that this world is so fucked-up that the only possible response is insanity.


Polter-Cow - May 18, 2004 10:35:33 am PDT #2923 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm thinking of The Killing Joke -- that this world is so fucked-up that the only possible response is insanity.

Yeah, I figured that's what you were talking about, but I read that a year ago, so I couldn't remember exactly what he said.


Sean K - May 18, 2004 10:35:59 am PDT #2924 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Jim Gordon: tough as nails.

Love that man. Ex-marine. Bad-ass mofo.


Miracleman - May 18, 2004 10:36:37 am PDT #2925 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

What worldview?

Could also be "Killing hundreds with a poisonous gas is funny! Don't ya get it? Huh? Get it?

You ain't got no sensea humor..."


Micole - May 18, 2004 10:45:11 am PDT #2926 of 10000
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

Yeah, everyone thinks Batman is fucked up; they've just got different and often conflicting explanations of how.


P.M. Marc - May 18, 2004 10:48:04 am PDT #2927 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Micole, there's at least one book on it (How to Read Superhero Comics and Why--I love it, despite myself, and blame it for me falling further into this than just the occasional graphic novel), and Te's been collecting links in her memories section.

I have half-formed ideas and analysis in my head, but right now, I'm completely kid-in-candyshop about it, and not much comes out beyond glurble squee flail.


Frankenbuddha - May 18, 2004 10:51:07 am PDT #2928 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Could also be "Killing hundreds with a poisonous gas is funny! Don't ya get it? Huh? Get it?

You ain't got no sensea humor..."

If you do it on the David Endochrine show it certainly is.

"Now that's just darn rude."