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victor infante - May 17, 2004 6:03:29 pm PDT #2900 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Victor, I think I have most of the W/P stuff around, and my battered "Crisis" is in the other room.

Way cool. They really set the stage, and then Mark Waid just ran with it.


CaBil - May 17, 2004 7:33:14 pm PDT #2901 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Does that have his hooking up with Black Canary, or was that just in the regular comics? (Always admired Oliver's taste in women - BC hits a LARGE number of my personal...tastes?...kinks?...certainly not vanilla

Actually, that is one of their major breaks of their relationship. Longbow Hunters was an attempt to "Dark Knight Returns" the Ollie character, and it mostly succeeded. He gave up his trick arrows at this time and his relationship with Shado, female ninja bow and arrow assassin dates from this time...


Jeff Mejia - May 17, 2004 7:58:43 pm PDT #2902 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

CaBil beat me to it. Longow Hunters was written and drawn by Mike Grell, and was kind of a Dark Night Returns for Green Arrow. It was followed by the launching of the Green Arrow series (the first solo books for GA, except for a four-issue mini back in 1984). Grell wrote the first 80 issues of this run (it goes to about 134 or so), and drew the first year himself. Grell's take at the time, as CaBil pointed out, was to get away from the trick arrows and "cartoony" aspects of the character, and in fact, none of the other DC superheroes appeared during Gell's run. I've been working my way through the individual issues as I haven't found any trade collections.

Green Arrow was my re-entry point into the DC Universe, and led to me picking up a few issues of Detective, and that's all she wrote. In fact, it was the GA #5 (of the current run), where Batman had knocked Ollie out and took him to the Batcave because he had returned from the dead, that is responsible for this descent into madness for me.

I am certainly glad to see everyone jumping on the comics bandwagon. I've been reading most of the Bat-family comics in a vacuum, so it's great to get some excellent critical analysis. Now I just have to go find my back issues and re-read so I can keep up with the conversation.


P.M. Marc - May 17, 2004 8:20:01 pm PDT #2903 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Actually, that is one of their major breaks of their relationship.

Yep.

Lord, poor Dinah. Gives me more for my half-formed BoP essay, I guess.


sumi - May 18, 2004 5:13:54 am PDT #2904 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Bats novels are coming -- the first one is a Catwoman book by Elizabeth Hand.


Michele T. - May 18, 2004 6:11:03 am PDT #2905 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Drat. That's right. That's the torrent that I tried getting before I left for SF. No seeds. Ah well.

According to the site, there are six active seeders.


P.M. Marc - May 18, 2004 6:11:57 am PDT #2906 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

According to the site, there are six active seeders.

Hmm. I'll check again...


Frankenbuddha - May 18, 2004 6:22:18 am PDT #2907 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

the first one is a Catwoman book by Elizabeth Hand

Can one hope this is not a tie-in with the Halle Berry abomination coming our way?


sumi - May 18, 2004 6:26:04 am PDT #2908 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

It is -- sadly -- but isn't it bound to be better than the movie? I mean, it couldn't possibly be worse, right?


victor infante - May 18, 2004 6:26:54 am PDT #2909 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

It is -- sadly -- but isn't it bound to be better than the movie? I mean, it couldn't possibly be worse, right?

I don't know. I rarely ever like comic book novels.