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victor infante - May 03, 2004 3:57:10 pm PDT #2312 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Ooh, Nightwing is Robin? Things make so much more sense now, kind of.

Yep.

  • Nightwing = Dick Grayson = Robin I = Insecure bohunk every woman in the D.C. Universe (and a few outside) lust after.

  • Jason Todd = Robin II = Kind of annoying and dead

  • Tim Drake = Robin II = Sort-of current Robin, retiring so he can stop lying to his dad about what he's up to running around with emotionally insecure men in tights. Anyway, no one believes he's really going to stay quit. Kind of like when I give up smoking.

  • Stephanie Brown = Robin IV = Spoiler = Daughter of deceased Batman villain the Cluemaster, who's name should've been a hint that he wasn't long for this world. She picks up the mantle after Tim bails.

victor infante - May 03, 2004 3:58:26 pm PDT #2313 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Am I the only person round these parts who knows who the original Nightwing was?

It was Batman, wasn't it? In the bottled city of Kandor. And Superman was--I kid you not--Flamebird. Or do I have that reversed?

amych - May 03, 2004 3:59:16 pm PDT #2314 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

And I was gonna guess Liberace....

DXMachina - May 03, 2004 3:59:32 pm PDT #2315 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Almost. Superman was Nightwing and Jimmy Olson was Flamebird.

victor infante - May 03, 2004 4:00:43 pm PDT #2316 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Almost. Superman was Nightwing and Jimmy Olson was Flamebird.

Ah. Did Batman ever pick up that role, 'cause I've got a clear picture in my head, but no reference.

Maybe I'm thinking of Bippo the Super Monkey.

§ ita § - May 03, 2004 4:00:50 pm PDT #2317 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gah! I forgot about Flamebird and Nightwing! Nightwing was Superman, IIRC.

DXMachina - May 03, 2004 4:03:03 pm PDT #2318 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Did Batman ever pick up that role, 'cause I've got a clear picture in my head, but no reference.

Well, Nightwing was a homage by Supes to Batman.

Michele T. - May 03, 2004 4:29:38 pm PDT #2319 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Post-Crisis continuity, Nightwing is an ancient Kryptonian hero who Clark tells Dick about when Dick is trying to figure out how to be a hero without being Robin.

One of the more adorable moment in the Nightwing canon is in the Nightwing Annual, when Dick's "stepson" is watching Superman cartoons on TV, and Supes is saying something like "I have to act now, before it's too late!" Dick wakes up shouting "Wait! I'll help you, Superman!" His crush is so canon.

Jon B. - May 03, 2004 5:36:22 pm PDT #2320 of 10000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

(current Robin, current Wonder Girl, Superboy, etc)

Is Superboy is different person from Superman, or is this some temporal anomoly cause by a localized tachyon field?

Holli - May 03, 2004 5:38:47 pm PDT #2321 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Superboy is (deep breath, this is a long one) the teenaged clone of Superman, artificially aged in a tube, who actually only has 50% of Superman's DNA because of some silly handwaved comic book science; the other half of his DNA comes from Lex Luthor.

Yes, that's right, Superboy Has Two Daddies. This is *canon,* people.

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