And I wonder, what possible catastrophe came crashing down from heaven and brought this dashing stranger to tears?

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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


esse - Apr 25, 2004 6:35:37 pm PDT #1988 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Oh god, SA, if you want to reconcile that many different sets of canon, my head is going to --

Um, sorry? I guess that's kind of impossible, huh?

that great big freakish demon in tonight's episode, and the danger with her is that if her emotions get out of control, her evil demon side will take over.

Ah-ha. It was pretty snarky. Roommate and I giggled, because Starfire? Is so her younger sister.


§ ita § - Apr 25, 2004 7:57:58 pm PDT #1989 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is Raven channelling Trigon in the cartoon?

Starfire was a bit ... Anya, but nicer (just as randy, though) at the start of her career.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 25, 2004 8:18:15 pm PDT #1990 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Is Raven channelling Trigon in the cartoon?

Ahh, reminds me of my favorite story in Teen Titans, back when the Brotherhood of Evil was hounding Raven and Phobia instigated a hallucination that played upon Raven's Daddy issues.

Unfortunately for the Brotherhood, that particular father/daughter bond was a bit closer than most people's, so when their interference woke Trigon up in a grumpy mood, and he started manifesting though Raven's astral self... well, they should have been careful what they wished for.


Sean K - Apr 25, 2004 8:35:24 pm PDT #1991 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Phobia instigated a hallucination that played upon Raven's Daddy issues.

I remember that story. Mostly from the cover.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 25, 2004 8:48:24 pm PDT #1992 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Oh yeah. Trigon's face in negative glaring out from within Raven's soulself was a very striking image.


esse - Apr 25, 2004 9:23:14 pm PDT #1993 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Trigon is the big red demony thing?


Bishop - Apr 26, 2004 2:33:24 am PDT #1994 of 10000
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Sooooo. Teen Titans cartoon. Which Robin is that?

This question has been debated hotly since the show premiered, and I'm not sure there'll ever be an answer.

And then, Justice League, as they are back to back: I though Wonder Woman was always part of the JL, not just randomly called by a Martian. Or is that an early episode?

I'm not sure what you're asking here.

In the JL cartoon, Wonder Woman left the island of the Amazons and entered the world of man for the first time during a destructive alien invasion, because she saw how the world was suffering and wanted to help. That was in the very first episode of the series, when the JL was formed.

Plus, when did Superman and Batman meet? Was Clark still in college when he became Superman, and Batman was already around?

In the animated continuity? Clark became Superman after Batman had already been around for a while. They met in a three-part crossover which had Bruce traveling to Metropolis to discuss some business with Lex, and subsequently romancing Lois. During their first meeting, Clark x-rayed Bats' mask to see who it was, and Batman placed a tracker on Clark to follow him back home and figure out who HE was.

In the comic continuity? Yeeps. Not sure... too much continuity.


Steph L. - Apr 26, 2004 3:52:00 am PDT #1995 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Is Raven channelling Trigon in the cartoon?

In last night's ep, she was. So they've addressed the idea that she has to keep her emotions under control so that Daddy doesn't take over.

Trigon is the big red demony thing?

Yup. Raven's father.


Michele T. - Apr 26, 2004 4:28:09 am PDT #1996 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Having just watched my first TT animated series since I learned who the hell any of them are --

That's got to be Dick Grayson as Robin, because it's basically the 1980s line-up of the Titans. Starfire, Raven, Cyborg, Beastboy, and Robin.

Also, Trigon is voiced by Keith Szarabazka (sp?), better known here as Captain Holtz. As I said to myself when I read the voice credits list, it's nice to know he's not in danger of being typecast as an evil father-figure, eh?


§ ita § - Apr 26, 2004 4:43:37 am PDT #1997 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Actually, Michele, he's not anyone. To wit:

And just who is under the mask? Is it Tim Drake? Dick Grayson? Jason Todd?

"He's just Robin. We never say which Robin he is. To be honest we've never even discussed it," [Sam] Register [Cartoon Network VP] said. "Again, that's for clarity for the kids. We're not doing alter egos."