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esse - Apr 25, 2004 9:23:14 pm PDT #1993 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Trigon is the big red demony thing?


Bishop - Apr 26, 2004 2:33:24 am PDT #1994 of 10000
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Sooooo. Teen Titans cartoon. Which Robin is that?

This question has been debated hotly since the show premiered, and I'm not sure there'll ever be an answer.

And then, Justice League, as they are back to back: I though Wonder Woman was always part of the JL, not just randomly called by a Martian. Or is that an early episode?

I'm not sure what you're asking here.

In the JL cartoon, Wonder Woman left the island of the Amazons and entered the world of man for the first time during a destructive alien invasion, because she saw how the world was suffering and wanted to help. That was in the very first episode of the series, when the JL was formed.

Plus, when did Superman and Batman meet? Was Clark still in college when he became Superman, and Batman was already around?

In the animated continuity? Clark became Superman after Batman had already been around for a while. They met in a three-part crossover which had Bruce traveling to Metropolis to discuss some business with Lex, and subsequently romancing Lois. During their first meeting, Clark x-rayed Bats' mask to see who it was, and Batman placed a tracker on Clark to follow him back home and figure out who HE was.

In the comic continuity? Yeeps. Not sure... too much continuity.


Steph L. - Apr 26, 2004 3:52:00 am PDT #1995 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Is Raven channelling Trigon in the cartoon?

In last night's ep, she was. So they've addressed the idea that she has to keep her emotions under control so that Daddy doesn't take over.

Trigon is the big red demony thing?

Yup. Raven's father.


Michele T. - Apr 26, 2004 4:28:09 am PDT #1996 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Having just watched my first TT animated series since I learned who the hell any of them are --

That's got to be Dick Grayson as Robin, because it's basically the 1980s line-up of the Titans. Starfire, Raven, Cyborg, Beastboy, and Robin.

Also, Trigon is voiced by Keith Szarabazka (sp?), better known here as Captain Holtz. As I said to myself when I read the voice credits list, it's nice to know he's not in danger of being typecast as an evil father-figure, eh?


§ ita § - Apr 26, 2004 4:43:37 am PDT #1997 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Actually, Michele, he's not anyone. To wit:

And just who is under the mask? Is it Tim Drake? Dick Grayson? Jason Todd?

"He's just Robin. We never say which Robin he is. To be honest we've never even discussed it," [Sam] Register [Cartoon Network VP] said. "Again, that's for clarity for the kids. We're not doing alter egos."


Bishop - Apr 26, 2004 4:50:58 am PDT #1998 of 10000
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Batman did mention in one of the Batman: The Animated Series crossovers with Static Shock that Tim Drake-Robin is a member of the Titans. But since B:TAS isn't the same continuity as the Teen Titans cartoon, that doesn't mean much.


amych - Apr 26, 2004 4:54:53 am PDT #1999 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

"Again, that's for clarity for the kids. We're not doing alter egos."

Yep. I just checked and I'm still just as irritated by this statement. Because the average seven-year-old is going to be hopelessly and crushingly confused by the idea of a secret identity that the mundane world doesn't know about.

This is the shit that ruined Snuffleupagus, and don't think I'm not still bitter.


Bishop - Apr 26, 2004 5:05:06 am PDT #2000 of 10000
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This is the shit that ruined Snuffleupagus, and don't think I'm not still bitter.

Eh, I was always pissed that nobody believed Big Bird about that dude. I just wanted them all to see him for themselves and shut up. Which they did. Rock on. :)


esse - Apr 26, 2004 5:47:37 am PDT #2001 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

That was in the very first episode of the series, when the JL was formed.

Ah-ha. That must have been what I saw last night.


Sean K - Apr 26, 2004 7:38:40 am PDT #2002 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Sooooo. Teen Titans cartoon. Which Robin is that?

ita provided the official answer to this. As others have pointed out, the animated Robin shares most of his similarities with Dick Grayson (the 80's lineup, the future as Nightwing, the crushing between him and Starfire).

The main reason there's some question is because he looks like Tim, as far as age and general appearance (they draw him rather like they drew Tim on the Batman/Superman cartoons).

This is the shit that ruined Snuffleupagus, and don't think I'm not still bitter.

LOVE AMYCH!