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Bishop - Apr 23, 2004 5:36:12 am PDT #1929 of 10000
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What about Leslie Thompkins? She was there for him as he grew up, albeit not full-time, so maybe she doesn't count.

Bruce had some people who there for him at least. He wasn't totally alone as he grew up. And I do believe Alfred essentially helped to raise him.


Jeff Mejia - Apr 23, 2004 6:40:57 am PDT #1930 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

FYI, the mini-series where Donna Troy (and Lilith) were killed by the Superman robot was called Titans/Young Justice: Graduation Day.

It was a three-issue mini and it has already been collected, and was the launching pad for both the Outsiders and Teen Tians runs. The general consensus was that the story itself was pretty bad, and it recieved many neagative reviews, but it sold well.

What about Leslie Thompkins? She was there for him as he grew up, albeit not full-time, so maybe she doesn't count.

The last few issues of Detective Comics (Andersen Gabrych's introductory arc) has delved into some of the backstory of her early relation with Bruce.


CaBil - Apr 23, 2004 6:41:24 am PDT #1931 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Alfred in the new timeline was an old family friend, and was Bruce's guardian after his folks died.

Leslie Thompkins was another family friend, but basically backstopped Alfred.


Michele T. - Apr 23, 2004 6:45:41 am PDT #1932 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

As far as I can tell, Alfred in the current continuity has always been a devoted Wayne family retainer.


Miracleman - Apr 23, 2004 7:43:15 am PDT #1933 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

As far as I can tell, Alfred in the current continuity has always been a devoted Wayne family retainer.

And wasn't Alfred's dad also a Wayne family retainer?


Sean K - Apr 23, 2004 9:44:41 am PDT #1934 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Now, what I want to know is how much does the Batman:tAS continuity jibe with current comics canon?

Because in the BtAS show, not only was Alfred a loyal retainer for the Wayne family since Bruce's childhood, he's also ex-MI-5, and no slouch in his own right (although they made him more like an actual spy - unobtrusive - as opposed to a James Bond ass-kicker).


Miracleman - Apr 23, 2004 10:03:44 am PDT #1935 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

I don't know...Alfred's one that they messed around with when it would be convenient.

There was one great back-of-the-issue 8 pager where Alfred announces he's going back to acting. This is just afte Wayne comes back from his 12 years abroad. Bruce gets home and Alfred is all "Welcome home, Master Bruce, anyways I'm outta heah." And Bruce convinces him to stick around for just a little while.

Alfred ends up coaching Bruce in some things to help him be the Bat. "No, use a different voice, a lower voice. No, use the cape this way, it's scarier" etc.

And Alfred gradually realizes that he doesn't want to go back to "ACTING!"

I think it was called "Waiting in The Wings" or something like that.


Sean K - Apr 23, 2004 10:10:54 am PDT #1936 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I think it was called "Waiting in The Wings" or something like that.

Yeah, that was a great short. And probably the kernel of inspiration that the B:tAS writers used to make Alfred an ex-spy.

I mentioned this to Thomash the other night - that the animated series, while not at all adherent to canon, tried to stay true to the spirit of canon. If that makes sense....


Miracleman - Apr 23, 2004 10:12:16 am PDT #1937 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Makes perfect sense to me.


DXMachina - Apr 23, 2004 10:13:04 am PDT #1938 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I don't know...Alfred's one that they messed around with when it would be convenient.

He was also dead for a while back in the sixties.