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§ ita § - Apr 23, 2004 4:19:01 am PDT #1924 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There is no need for Super Dog.

You can't say that! If Conner, the superpowered fruit of an impossible union, doesn't get in touch with his softer side, we could be in a lot of trouble.


Steph L. - Apr 23, 2004 4:20:12 am PDT #1925 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

If Conner, the superpowered fruit of an impossible union, doesn't get in touch with his softer side, we could be in a lot of trouble.

And this would be bad....how? (c.f. conversation in the Buffy thread, or, It's All About The Dark, Baby.)


§ ita § - Apr 23, 2004 4:21:08 am PDT #1926 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Huh. You got me there. I assume he'll be taking his shirt off, right?


Steph L. - Apr 23, 2004 4:22:14 am PDT #1927 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

But of course. Evil should always be as shirtless as possible.

Except that fat freaky Balthazaar demon in Buffy S2.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 23, 2004 5:33:22 am PDT #1928 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Whereas Dick had him, Bruce had no one.

What about Alfred? There's probably backstory and characterization I'm missing here.

I was about to ask the same question.

I know in the golden age Batman continuity (such as it was) Alfred looked like Alfred Hitchcock (hence the name) and came in after Bruce and Dick were already in operation. They tried to keep their secret from him, but being a butler he found out without much trouble.

I'm not sure when he changed to the thin Alfred of later years, and I seem to remember his backstory changing so that he'd always been with Bruce, but I have no idea how that works with current continuity.


Bishop - Apr 23, 2004 5:36:12 am PDT #1929 of 10000
Lapsed Lurker

What about Leslie Thompkins? She was there for him as he grew up, albeit not full-time, so maybe she doesn't count.

Bruce had some people who there for him at least. He wasn't totally alone as he grew up. And I do believe Alfred essentially helped to raise him.


Jeff Mejia - Apr 23, 2004 6:40:57 am PDT #1930 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

FYI, the mini-series where Donna Troy (and Lilith) were killed by the Superman robot was called Titans/Young Justice: Graduation Day.

It was a three-issue mini and it has already been collected, and was the launching pad for both the Outsiders and Teen Tians runs. The general consensus was that the story itself was pretty bad, and it recieved many neagative reviews, but it sold well.

What about Leslie Thompkins? She was there for him as he grew up, albeit not full-time, so maybe she doesn't count.

The last few issues of Detective Comics (Andersen Gabrych's introductory arc) has delved into some of the backstory of her early relation with Bruce.


CaBil - Apr 23, 2004 6:41:24 am PDT #1931 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Alfred in the new timeline was an old family friend, and was Bruce's guardian after his folks died.

Leslie Thompkins was another family friend, but basically backstopped Alfred.


Michele T. - Apr 23, 2004 6:45:41 am PDT #1932 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

As far as I can tell, Alfred in the current continuity has always been a devoted Wayne family retainer.


Miracleman - Apr 23, 2004 7:43:15 am PDT #1933 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

As far as I can tell, Alfred in the current continuity has always been a devoted Wayne family retainer.

And wasn't Alfred's dad also a Wayne family retainer?