I'm going through the annotations, and:
"He could not, however, “make people see things that are not there.”
Xavier can't do that? Ever?
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§ ita § - Nov 17, 2003 12:44:37 pm PST #1207 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Hayden - Nov 19, 2003 10:14:34 am PST #1208 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Is anyone going to explain the X-verse? I've been reading Grant Morrison's New X-Men tpbs, and we recently picked up an Uncanny X-Men tpb which appears to be marginally related, at best (not to mention, is rather crappily written).
Steph L. - Nov 19, 2003 10:43:56 am PST #1209 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Are annotations for 1602.4 up yet? (Just got it at lunch. Very confuzzled.)
CaBil - Nov 19, 2003 5:25:11 pm PST #1210 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
Trying to explain the X-verse is like trying to catch an otter with an oiled up pair of barbarecue tongs. The best you can hope for is that one series when written by a single author is consistent, that's about it.
Uncanny and X are written by two different authors, usually, and usually try to focus on different team members. Uncanny usually tries to focuse on the old-school members and the X-men tries to focus on the X-men in general...
§ ita § - Nov 19, 2003 5:29:11 pm PST #1211 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
There's also at least one other x-verse, where some of the characters are younger, and one where Prof X is a captive of Magneto's.
CaBil - Nov 19, 2003 11:18:37 pm PST #1212 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
Ultimate X-men, I think. The Ultimate series of titles are reconceptualizations of core Marvel characters in the modern day. For instance, Ultimate Spider-Man has Peter Parker still in High School, and so on...
§ ita § - Nov 20, 2003 4:02:30 am PST #1213 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
What's the one where Spidey's young, and meeting Wolverine for the first time? Too many adjectives.
amych - Nov 20, 2003 4:04:54 am PST #1214 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
What's the one where Spidey's young, and meeting Wolverine for the first time?
I believe that's in Marvel Needs to Clear Out the Contradictory Canon Cruft a la Crisis on Infinite Earths
Jeff Mejia - Nov 20, 2003 4:16:21 am PST #1215 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert
What's the one where Spidey's young, and meeting Wolverine for the first time? Too many adjectives.
I think that was an Ultimate Spider Man issue, but it may have been an Ultimate X-Men. I'm only following in trades (slowly), so I haven't caught that yet.
I believe that's in Marvel Needs to Clear Out the Contradictory Canon Cruft a la Crisis on Infinite Earths
Actually, the Ultimate line of books is establishing its own separate canon, away from regular Marvel U continuity. Rather than clearing out it's own universe with a Crisis, as DC did, Marvel just added a whole new line of books.
The regular Marvel Universe continuity is a shambles. It's best to think (IMHO) that each title has its own continuity, with just the barest reflections of events happening in other titles.
§ ita § - Nov 20, 2003 4:26:00 am PST #1216 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think that was an Ultimate Spider Man issue, but it may have been an Ultimate X-Men.
Aha! New X-Men is the one where Magneto has Prof X. So it could be Ultimate where Spidey and Wolverine meet. What's the hap on "New"?