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Jeff Mejia - Nov 20, 2003 4:16:21 am PST #1215 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

What's the one where Spidey's young, and meeting Wolverine for the first time? Too many adjectives.

I think that was an Ultimate Spider Man issue, but it may have been an Ultimate X-Men. I'm only following in trades (slowly), so I haven't caught that yet.

I believe that's in Marvel Needs to Clear Out the Contradictory Canon Cruft a la Crisis on Infinite Earths

Actually, the Ultimate line of books is establishing its own separate canon, away from regular Marvel U continuity. Rather than clearing out it's own universe with a Crisis, as DC did, Marvel just added a whole new line of books.

The regular Marvel Universe continuity is a shambles. It's best to think (IMHO) that each title has its own continuity, with just the barest reflections of events happening in other titles.


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2003 4:26:00 am PST #1216 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that was an Ultimate Spider Man issue, but it may have been an Ultimate X-Men.

Aha! New X-Men is the one where Magneto has Prof X. So it could be Ultimate where Spidey and Wolverine meet. What's the hap on "New"?


Jeff Mejia - Nov 20, 2003 4:34:42 am PST #1217 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Aha! New X-Men is the one where Magneto has Prof X. So it could be Ultimate where Spidey and Wolverine meet. What's the hap on "New"?

New X-Men is set in the Marvel U., but Grant Morrison has decided to run things his own way, continuity be damned. He started the run with the E is for Extinction arc that wiped out Genoshe and "killed off" Magneto (haha). After the current storyline (which I've been collecting, but haven't read, since I'm a trade or two behind), there will be a four-issue run set in the future that will serve as Morrison's finale at Marvel for the time being, as he has signed an exclusive deal with DC.


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2003 4:37:36 am PST #1218 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

New sucks. I like Grant, a lot, but his Magneto's a caricature on drugs.


Steph L. - Nov 20, 2003 4:39:03 am PST #1219 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

What's the one where Spidey's young, and meeting Wolverine for the first time? Too many adjectives.

I think that was an Ultimate Spider Man issue

Yes, although I can't remember which # off the top of my head. I have it at home.


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2003 4:43:38 am PST #1220 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yes, although I can't remember which # off the top of my head.

Maybe it's a crossover. The one I'm thinking of has Wolverine being chased by a team of assassins related to his Weapon X history. Spidey's definitely peripheral.


Steph L. - Nov 20, 2003 4:45:03 am PST #1221 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Maybe it's a crossover.

Oh. It could be, at that. Marvel has a lot of x-over titles, just within Ultimates, let alone other titles. I'm having a hard time following my beloved Spidey across all the Ultimates titles.


CaBil - Nov 20, 2003 5:07:04 am PST #1222 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Actually, that is the second time they meet, just the first time without the masks.

And it is in the Ultimate X-men title...


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2003 5:09:48 am PST #1223 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the first time without the masks.

I guess I missed that part. They were wearing masks in the X-Men I read.


Hayden - Nov 20, 2003 6:03:13 am PST #1224 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Unless it's an extremely recent development, Magneto's dead in the Morrison New X-Men series and has been since his first issue. Personally, I think it's not-just-brilliant-but-fucking-brilliant, but I'm not a regular X-Men/Marvel reader.