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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Anne W. - Nov 12, 2003 1:18:16 pm PST #1202 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

On edit: With 1602, we've been having whitefonted discussions starting on day of release, so if you have speculation/analysis, please do share.

I have to re-read, but I was quite amazed at how much happened in this issue. It was also great to see even a little bit of the Fantastic Four. It's interesting that Doom isn't disfigured in this timeline. It also seems that Reed has some inkling about why things are happening.

Other things I noted:

What's up with the pterodactyls?

It seems that Bruce Banner is working for Not-King-Yet James. I wonder if James will do something to piss him off. That could be fun.

So, the Black Widow betrayed Daredevil. Not a surprise by any stretch of the imagination.

Peter seems to be getting beat up quite a bit. This amuses me.


§ ita § - Nov 12, 2003 1:20:59 pm PST #1203 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

justkim, it probably needs to be made clear, but the practice has been whitefont for the first week.

Anne, the pterodactyls made me think of the Savage Land. Seems whatever went wrong went wrong before colonisation started, then.

In unrelated (and old!) news -- Donna Troy is dead! I'm so hurt by this. I liked her.


justkim - Nov 12, 2003 1:41:22 pm PST #1204 of 10000
Another social casualty...

Oh good.

The boom-maker is definitely The Thing, based on Murdoch's song in this installment and the fact that Doom calls the boom-maker Captain.

Also, based on Natasha's comments at the end, I don't know that Reed has the will to trick Doom, but I'm sure I'll be wrong on that point.

If Virginia has been out for a week, then the Queen's been "dead" for about 4 or 5 days. The fact her closest court officers (Fury and Strange) aren't with her seems to indicate she is dead. If the poison only makes her appear dead, someone (maybe Invisible Girl?) should be with her to take care of her, although I'll be surprised that the shock to her system doesn't kill the Queen if that's the case. IOW, maybe she's not dead, but I'm inclined to think she is. However, I am always wrong with things like this.

I'm also wondering what's up with the pterodyctls and dinosaurs.


Jeff Mejia - Nov 13, 2003 9:33:31 am PST #1205 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

In unrelated (and old!) news -- Donna Troy is dead! I'm so hurt by this. I liked her.

Hee! ita's behind the times. Don't worry, odds are it won't last.

There was an interview with Scott Allie, the editor of Dark Horse's horror line (and Conan), here at the Pulse. Most of the interview deals with the Conan relaunch, but he had this to say about the upcoming Tales of the Vampires:

THE PULSE: What's coming up in Buffy?

ALLIE: The new thing is a series overseen and partly written by Joss called Tales of the Vampires. All the writers on the series are from the TV show, and we're telling stories of vamps throughout the ages. After that, Joss is gonna give us some direction on where to take the comics series after Season Seven, but we haven't worked that out yet.


Volans - Nov 17, 2003 12:37:16 pm PST #1206 of 10000
move out and draw fire

Annotations for 1602.4? What's up with the black cat with fangs?


§ ita § - Nov 17, 2003 12:44:37 pm PST #1207 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm going through the annotations, and:

"He could not, however, “make people see things that are not there.”

Xavier can't do that? Ever?


Hayden - Nov 19, 2003 10:14:34 am PST #1208 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Is anyone going to explain the X-verse? I've been reading Grant Morrison's New X-Men tpbs, and we recently picked up an Uncanny X-Men tpb which appears to be marginally related, at best (not to mention, is rather crappily written).


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2003 10:43:56 am PST #1209 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Are annotations for 1602.4 up yet? (Just got it at lunch. Very confuzzled.)


CaBil - Nov 19, 2003 5:25:11 pm PST #1210 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Trying to explain the X-verse is like trying to catch an otter with an oiled up pair of barbarecue tongs. The best you can hope for is that one series when written by a single author is consistent, that's about it.

Uncanny and X are written by two different authors, usually, and usually try to focus on different team members. Uncanny usually tries to focuse on the old-school members and the X-men tries to focus on the X-men in general...


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2003 5:29:11 pm PST #1211 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's also at least one other x-verse, where some of the characters are younger, and one where Prof X is a captive of Magneto's.