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Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 08, 2003 6:53:52 pm PDT #1109 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Something I want to know is what's up with Clea? If this story is supposed to be something hinky actually happening to the Marvel Universe timeline... well, Clea was only partially human, born and raised in another dimension, and so far as I know currently lives there. I think it'd take a lot more doing to retcon an earth-based 17th century origin for her.

Then again, there has been speculation that she could be a lot older than she appears, so there's an outside chance that she somehow made the transition over from the Dark Dimension 400 years early.


Volans - Oct 09, 2003 2:05:08 am PDT #1110 of 10000
move out and draw fire

Maybe whatever caused the X-Men and the other heroes to appear 400 years early also pulled her in early?

Huh. (speculation) Maybe that "whatever" is Virginia Dare. She's one of the 3 (now 2) actual historial characters in 1602, but she's been written with all the shapechanging mystical powers. And she's the cause of the weather problems. So maybe her birth is what kicked off the Marvel Universe? Or, the settlement of America is what did it (which in a way is true; it's America what gave the world comic book heroes.)

But the cover of issue 2 makes more sense now.


DXMachina - Oct 09, 2003 2:37:11 am PDT #1111 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

(spoiler font): And whoever is watching (first page) saying that the bad weather could destroy the world? And who is that, the watcher?

Pretty much has to be the Watcher. One of Marvel's standard story framing devices has been the Watcher introducing the tale as a narrator. And he does live on the moon.

Virginia Dare can change into other creatures of the north, too, although the list doesn't seem to exactly match Snowbird's.

Concurring that John is a Jean.


Jeff Mejia - Oct 09, 2003 4:00:50 am PDT #1112 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

I think that the first two panels that have the Watcher's narration, that talks about particles forming and disappearing in nanoseconds, with effects on the time and space. I'm guessing that will somehow bring this timeline and the "normal" Marvel timeline in synch.

Does anybody know off-hand how Elizabeth I died in real-life, or is some research in order. I have a feeling that her death as depicted here is probably not that far different than how she is reported to have died in real-life (excepting the Doom part, of course).

On a Doom-related note, why is he being called Otto Von Doom in this book? Isn't his name Victor, or am I missing something from early Marvel history?


DXMachina - Oct 09, 2003 4:07:08 am PDT #1113 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

On a Doom-related note, why is he being called Otto Von Doom in this book? Isn't his name Victor, or am I missing something from early Marvel history?

Probably the same as using Javier for Xavier, just to mix things up a little.

Or John for Jean... :)


Volans - Oct 09, 2003 4:17:11 am PDT #1114 of 10000
move out and draw fire

I know QEI died in 1603, on March 24 (the day after my birthday, although not the year. No undead here, nosiree). I've been googling to find out how, but no luck.


Steph L. - Oct 09, 2003 4:42:00 am PDT #1115 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I think that the first two panels that have the Watcher's narration, that talks about particles forming and disappearing in nanoseconds, with effects on the time and space. I'm guessing that will somehow bring this timeline and the "normal" Marvel timeline in synch.

I was thinking the same thing.


Nutty - Oct 09, 2003 6:44:09 am PDT #1116 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Probably the same as using Javier for Xavier

In doubting the historical accuracy of this detail, I discovered that the name Xavier comes from Arabic (it means splendid), which means it entered European usage primarily through Spain (I presume). Spanish had a consonant shift some time in the Middle Ages so that initial X became J, but I don't think this happened in any other western European language. (Xavier is still Xavier in French, or so says Google.)

So for Xavier to become Javier, he has to be of Spanish or Spanish-related origin. Or else the comic book is making stuff up and doesn't care about such things.

How did people pull off the irritating "um actually" thing before Google came along?


DXMachina - Oct 09, 2003 6:57:14 am PDT #1117 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Or else the comic book is making stuff up and doesn't care about such things.

Ya think?

Actually, I think Javier is probably Spanish, but then Fury's acceptance of him doesn't seem to make a lot of sense given how well England and Spain got along (not) during that period.


Volans - Oct 09, 2003 6:59:53 am PDT #1118 of 10000
move out and draw fire

But in the "normal" Marvel world, he's FRENCH?!?!