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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Jeff Mejia - Oct 09, 2003 4:00:50 am PDT #1112 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

I think that the first two panels that have the Watcher's narration, that talks about particles forming and disappearing in nanoseconds, with effects on the time and space. I'm guessing that will somehow bring this timeline and the "normal" Marvel timeline in synch.

Does anybody know off-hand how Elizabeth I died in real-life, or is some research in order. I have a feeling that her death as depicted here is probably not that far different than how she is reported to have died in real-life (excepting the Doom part, of course).

On a Doom-related note, why is he being called Otto Von Doom in this book? Isn't his name Victor, or am I missing something from early Marvel history?


DXMachina - Oct 09, 2003 4:07:08 am PDT #1113 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

On a Doom-related note, why is he being called Otto Von Doom in this book? Isn't his name Victor, or am I missing something from early Marvel history?

Probably the same as using Javier for Xavier, just to mix things up a little.

Or John for Jean... :)


Volans - Oct 09, 2003 4:17:11 am PDT #1114 of 10000
move out and draw fire

I know QEI died in 1603, on March 24 (the day after my birthday, although not the year. No undead here, nosiree). I've been googling to find out how, but no luck.


Steph L. - Oct 09, 2003 4:42:00 am PDT #1115 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I think that the first two panels that have the Watcher's narration, that talks about particles forming and disappearing in nanoseconds, with effects on the time and space. I'm guessing that will somehow bring this timeline and the "normal" Marvel timeline in synch.

I was thinking the same thing.


Nutty - Oct 09, 2003 6:44:09 am PDT #1116 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Probably the same as using Javier for Xavier

In doubting the historical accuracy of this detail, I discovered that the name Xavier comes from Arabic (it means splendid), which means it entered European usage primarily through Spain (I presume). Spanish had a consonant shift some time in the Middle Ages so that initial X became J, but I don't think this happened in any other western European language. (Xavier is still Xavier in French, or so says Google.)

So for Xavier to become Javier, he has to be of Spanish or Spanish-related origin. Or else the comic book is making stuff up and doesn't care about such things.

How did people pull off the irritating "um actually" thing before Google came along?


DXMachina - Oct 09, 2003 6:57:14 am PDT #1117 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Or else the comic book is making stuff up and doesn't care about such things.

Ya think?

Actually, I think Javier is probably Spanish, but then Fury's acceptance of him doesn't seem to make a lot of sense given how well England and Spain got along (not) during that period.


Volans - Oct 09, 2003 6:59:53 am PDT #1118 of 10000
move out and draw fire

But in the "normal" Marvel world, he's FRENCH?!?!


DXMachina - Oct 09, 2003 7:06:10 am PDT #1119 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Well, possibly descended from the French. Or not. (One of my middle names is Xavier, but I'm not French at all. I'm just partially named after a saint... Who I thought was born in Spain, but maybe I'm wrong about that... Googling... Nope - "Born in the Castle of Xavier near Sanguesa, in Navarre, 7 April, 1506.")


Volans - Oct 09, 2003 7:11:31 am PDT #1120 of 10000
move out and draw fire

Sanguesa, now THERE'S a name.

I went to school with twins named Sebastian and Xavier, and those were supposed to be their saints' names. Actually, I'm sure there's a Saint Xavier.

So is Jean hiding her gender because even Javier wouldn't have women boarders openly in 1602? Or is this subtle commentary that female superheroes were few and far between, and mostly derivative of male heroes, prior to 1969?


Anne W. - Oct 09, 2003 8:59:09 am PDT #1121 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Actually, I think Javier is probably Spanish, but then Fury's acceptance of him doesn't seem to make a lot of sense given how well England and Spain got along (not) during that period.

Then again, Fury's working with an Irishman and (indirectly), a Russian. I get the feeling that Fury's willing to use whatever agents might come to hand, and that he would much rather have Javier and his crew feel friendly towards him rather than otherwise. Issue #2 implied rather heavily that Fury has relied on Javier's telepathy on past occasions.

The reason that the last panel surprised me was that I did not know that Gaiman was that willing to futz with the known historical timeline. Allowing the Roanoake colony to survive was pretty small beans in terms of historical impact as compared to the results of Doom's little toy.

So is Jean hiding her gender because even Javier wouldn't have women boarders openly in 1602?

That's my guess. What I want to know is whether or not 1602!Cyclops knows about Jean/John's gender. I'm also mildly curious as to whether or not any of the X-Men have code names in this time frame.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I think that the fact that Peter doesn't have his spider-powers is going to prove to be an important plot point later on.