May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Volans - Oct 09, 2003 6:59:53 am PDT #1118 of 10000
move out and draw fire

But in the "normal" Marvel world, he's FRENCH?!?!


DXMachina - Oct 09, 2003 7:06:10 am PDT #1119 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Well, possibly descended from the French. Or not. (One of my middle names is Xavier, but I'm not French at all. I'm just partially named after a saint... Who I thought was born in Spain, but maybe I'm wrong about that... Googling... Nope - "Born in the Castle of Xavier near Sanguesa, in Navarre, 7 April, 1506.")


Volans - Oct 09, 2003 7:11:31 am PDT #1120 of 10000
move out and draw fire

Sanguesa, now THERE'S a name.

I went to school with twins named Sebastian and Xavier, and those were supposed to be their saints' names. Actually, I'm sure there's a Saint Xavier.

So is Jean hiding her gender because even Javier wouldn't have women boarders openly in 1602? Or is this subtle commentary that female superheroes were few and far between, and mostly derivative of male heroes, prior to 1969?


Anne W. - Oct 09, 2003 8:59:09 am PDT #1121 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Actually, I think Javier is probably Spanish, but then Fury's acceptance of him doesn't seem to make a lot of sense given how well England and Spain got along (not) during that period.

Then again, Fury's working with an Irishman and (indirectly), a Russian. I get the feeling that Fury's willing to use whatever agents might come to hand, and that he would much rather have Javier and his crew feel friendly towards him rather than otherwise. Issue #2 implied rather heavily that Fury has relied on Javier's telepathy on past occasions.

The reason that the last panel surprised me was that I did not know that Gaiman was that willing to futz with the known historical timeline. Allowing the Roanoake colony to survive was pretty small beans in terms of historical impact as compared to the results of Doom's little toy.

So is Jean hiding her gender because even Javier wouldn't have women boarders openly in 1602?

That's my guess. What I want to know is whether or not 1602!Cyclops knows about Jean/John's gender. I'm also mildly curious as to whether or not any of the X-Men have code names in this time frame.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I think that the fact that Peter doesn't have his spider-powers is going to prove to be an important plot point later on.


Steph L. - Oct 09, 2003 9:03:57 am PDT #1122 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

The reason that the last panel surprised me was that I did not know that Gaiman was that willing to futz with the known historical timeline. Allowing the Roanoake colony to survive was pretty small beans in terms of historical impact as compared to the results of Doom's little toy.

My comics buff co-worker read 1602 #3 at lunch, and pointed out that, from the last panel, we don't actually know if Queen Elizabeth is *dead.* It seems like it, but she could be unconscious, in a coma, whatever.

So is Jean hiding her gender because even Javier wouldn't have women boarders openly in 1602?

That's my guess. What I want to know is whether or not 1602!Cyclops knows about Jean/John's gender.

I think yes to both.


Anne W. - Oct 09, 2003 9:11:07 am PDT #1123 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Your co-worker has a good point, Teppy. Still doesn't diminish the HSQ, however. I am resolutely remaining unspoiled for this series, since I have learned from experience that Gaiman is a Clever Bastard and that the thrill of being misled, deceived, and lulled into a false sense of security is well worth putting up with suspense and unsatiated curiosity.

In my dearest dreams, I would love for Neil Gaiman and Tim Minear to collaborate on a sequence of episodes for AtS.


DXMachina - Oct 09, 2003 9:23:51 am PDT #1124 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I went back and white fonted some stuff in Anne's and Steph's posts. Some of it was speculation, but some was spoilery for people who haven't seen the issue yet.


Anne W. - Oct 09, 2003 9:31:17 am PDT #1125 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Sorry 'bout that!


Steph L. - Oct 09, 2003 9:32:45 am PDT #1126 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I didn't realize it, either -- thanks, DX!


Volans - Oct 09, 2003 10:48:00 am PDT #1127 of 10000
move out and draw fire

In my dearest dreams, I would love for Neil Gaiman and Tim Minear to collaborate on a sequence of episodes for AtS.

Not enough "yes" in the world.

And also agree with your statement about Peter.