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§ ita § - Sep 13, 2003 10:55:51 am PDT #1011 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

DX, I found this from a June Marvel press conference:

As for other characters, Gaiman said that he ended around 1969 in regards to when characters originally debuted - although there are many others included for those who look.

Which leads me to think annotations guy is wrong.

We shall see.


Anne W. - Sep 13, 2003 4:04:52 pm PDT #1012 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I've got a feeling that Ms Dare is sitting in the middle of an entire vat of red herrings, and that the question of who or what she is supposed to be is the crux of 1602. For one thing, she is based and named on an actual historical character. But, in the real world, this character would have been dead for more than a decade, so her existence in this timeline may have something to do with whatever started the Marvel universe centuries ahead of time.

Another thing is that up until Ms Dare turned into Hooty the Killer Owl, there were plenty of indications that she was that century's equivalent of Storm. I think that the Snowbird thing is another misdirection.

I was going to say that Snowbird was a pretty minor character to be used in such a major role, but then again, Gaiman did an entire miniseries focused on Black Orchid, so maybe this is another case of him playing with an under-appreciated character.


§ ita § - Sep 13, 2003 4:07:39 pm PDT #1013 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What indications were there that Virginia was Storm? I'm all over Ororo Monroe, but apart from white hair, I don't see it.


victor infante - Sep 13, 2003 4:54:23 pm PDT #1014 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

On Virginia Dare, I never saw an intentional storm connection, except maybe the hair. For a moment in 1602 No. 2, I was thinking Gwen Stacy, but that seemed odd. Snowbird works, for any reason except artificially imposed meta ones. One of my favorite possibilities is that Snowbird is mystically bound to the land--ostensibly Canada, but I can accept a fudge-- so if it is her, her seperation from the North American Continent should start threatening her life. It makes her, like, Capt. America, a perfect herald from the New World, but serves to complicate her story. Also, I'm an old Alpha Flight fan, so I'm definitely rooting...


Anne W. - Sep 13, 2003 5:01:39 pm PDT #1015 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

ita, when Dr. Strange had his vision about the cause of the strange weather plaguing England, he had a vision of Virginia. In #2, the Queen mentions that Virginia brought good weather with her. Yeah, it's pretty minor, but it's there.


esse - Sep 13, 2003 6:39:08 pm PDT #1016 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I'm learning sooooo much about this comic universe, man. I feel so edjumacated.


§ ita § - Sep 13, 2003 7:02:02 pm PDT #1017 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hmm. I will be so mad if they whitefy Storm.


Noumenon - Sep 13, 2003 7:06:57 pm PDT #1018 of 10000
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

Why? You just did .

(edited to add visible period)


§ ita § - Sep 13, 2003 7:19:19 pm PDT #1019 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And don't think I'm not mad at me for doing so.

kicks self

bruises


Noumenon - Sep 13, 2003 8:37:06 pm PDT #1020 of 10000
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

The other part of Jane Espenson's Jonathan comic is up at the BBC. Is that all?