How many issues of 1602 are planned? Do we know?
8.
Nandi: I ain't her. Mal: Only people in this room is you and me.
'Heart Of Gold'
Other Media
Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.
Tom Scola - Sep 12, 2003 1:39:26 pm PDT #1004 of 10000
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500
Kalshane - Sep 12, 2003 1:49:40 pm PDT #1005 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
So I picked up Angel Season 2 while I was out today. Came home to find my Fray 1 through 8 and 1602 #1 that I'd bought off Ebay had arrived (as well as a Suncoast coupon I could have used when I bought the Angel DVDs. Argh!). Looks like I have a long weekend of sloth ahead of me.:) And then I'll finally be able to contribute to/understand the Fray and 1602 discussions. Whee!:)
Anne W. - Sep 13, 2003 2:21:58 am PDT #1006 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
Annotations for 1602.2 are now up.
§ ita § - Sep 13, 2003 7:02:22 am PDT #1007 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Hmmph. I have two nits to pick with the commentary:
- Beast is now "blue-furred and brutish-looking" -- he wasn't always -- he used to look like he does here
- my ASS that's not Snowbird ... I know there's supposed to be a cutoff point, but ... didn't Snowbird do that?
DXMachina - Sep 13, 2003 7:18:29 am PDT #1008 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
I e-mailed to the guy on the second point, and he said that it couldn't possibly be that character because "Gaiman said in interviews that he's not using characters created after 1969, and Snowbird was created after 1969, so Dare can't be Snowbird."
I don't buy that at all. There is no other possiblility, unless it's someone totally new. She sure ain't the Hulk... .
§ ita § - Sep 13, 2003 7:19:15 am PDT #1009 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is there a cite for Gaiman's date, and when did that character first appear?
It's just that ... she walks like a duck, you know?
DXMachina - Sep 13, 2003 7:24:12 am PDT #1010 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
The only place I've seen the cite is in his annotations for issue #1.
eta:
It's just that ... she walks like a duck, you know?
Tries to remember if Howard the Duck makes the cut off...
§ ita § - Sep 13, 2003 10:55:51 am PDT #1011 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
DX, I found this from a June Marvel press conference:
As for other characters, Gaiman said that he ended around 1969 in regards to when characters originally debuted - although there are many others included for those who look.
Which leads me to think annotations guy is wrong.
We shall see.
Anne W. - Sep 13, 2003 4:04:52 pm PDT #1012 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
I've got a feeling that Ms Dare is sitting in the middle of an entire vat of red herrings, and that the question of who or what she is supposed to be is the crux of 1602. For one thing, she is based and named on an actual historical character. But, in the real world, this character would have been dead for more than a decade, so her existence in this timeline may have something to do with whatever started the Marvel universe centuries ahead of time.
Another thing is that up until Ms Dare turned into Hooty the Killer Owl, there were plenty of indications that she was that century's equivalent of Storm. I think that the Snowbird thing is another misdirection.
I was going to say that Snowbird was a pretty minor character to be used in such a major role, but then again, Gaiman did an entire miniseries focused on Black Orchid, so maybe this is another case of him playing with an under-appreciated character.
§ ita § - Sep 13, 2003 4:07:39 pm PDT #1013 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
What indications were there that Virginia was Storm? I'm all over Ororo Monroe, but apart from white hair, I don't see it.