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§ ita § - Jan 08, 2004 1:03:56 pm PST #6504 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The new-connection-for-each-transaction thing needs to be fixed

That can be done really quickly -- because if the connection isn't closed at the end of the transaction (as it originally wasn't -- the change was made as a response to the errors), it's one connection per page. But we're still fucked that way. MySQL doesn't like counting.

And to cache across views, isn't that where pconnect comes in? With suitable server tuning? Very little code changes there.

The loading the whole page thing is a larger change, though.


Rob - Jan 08, 2004 1:45:44 pm PST #6505 of 10000

The counting part of MySQL that was broken had to do with the per-user connection limit. We don't have that turned on here, so there shouldn't be an issue. Taking out the explicit closes would be a good thing to do now.


§ ita § - Jan 08, 2004 3:14:19 pm PST #6506 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Explicit closes are now gone.


msbelle - Jan 08, 2004 3:44:50 pm PST #6507 of 10000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

So Tom, are you a choc chip, oatmeal, or sugar cookie kind of guy? Step up, claim your baked goods. Otherwise you'll get some low-fat no sugar spelt bread, and really, we all know you don't want that.


Karl - Jan 08, 2004 10:44:53 pm PST #6508 of 10000
I adore all you motherfuckers so much -- PMM.

Maybe it's just how threads show up in a Linix ps listing.

Nitpick - it's spelt Linux. Also, yes, each (heavyweight) thread shows up in the ps listing, unlike BSD and some Unices.

Tom, I would seriously recommend writing a test case and comparing the performance of a 'threadsuck' type exercise with the connectAndQuery route versus the row-by-row-fetch route. MySQL was originally designed as a database with -very- (compared to something like PostgreSQL or Oracle) lightweight connections. Let's try hard to quantify the difference here before we talk about re-writing whole sections of code.


amych - Jan 09, 2004 4:22:31 am PST #6509 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

ita, Tom, I know this may be the worst possible time to bring any side things up, but I've been very concerned lately with our lack of a filter, especially given the number of resignations we've had.

I know Paul was working on one for us, and then got hella busy with work -- did you ever get anything from him, be it design notes or partial code or anything in between?

Now that you're talking about fundamental code changes, I don't want to just seem to be agitating for what may only be my pet issue. But if there's anything to work with that won't be totally Jossed next week and won't get in your way, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get a filter going.

I won't even whine any more about how I hate stupid acronymic names like MARCIE. I promise.


§ ita § - Jan 09, 2004 4:28:27 am PST #6510 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It had never occurred to me that filters and resignations might be related.

However, if we agree that changing the underlying mechanism of how the pages are presented is important, I'd like us to scope it before writing new changes. Just so we don't make more work for ourselves.

Filtering is good, and demanded by many people, but I think board health is more important.


amych - Jan 09, 2004 4:31:11 am PST #6511 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Absolutely on both board health and more work. That's why I wanted to check with you and Tom rather than just demanding a filter yesterday. Let me know if/when I can help.


Tom Scola - Jan 09, 2004 5:30:24 pm PST #6512 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

MySQL was originally designed as a database with -very- (compared to something like PostgreSQL or Oracle) lightweight connections. Let's try hard to quantify the difference here before we talk about re-writing whole sections of code.

On the test board, I made a copy of giles.php, and changed a few lines so that one mysql connection is made at the beginning of the session, rather than with each connectAndQuery call. I then ran some benchmarks.

Without the change, index.php took an average of 0.1032 seconds to load. With the change it averaged 0.0813 seconds. (index.php makes 6 connectAndQuery calls).

A slightly heavier page, showthread.php averaged 0.2287 seconds before the change, and 0.1863 seconds after. (it makes 25 connectAndQuery calls).

A threadsuck of a 10,000 post thread took 57.75 seconds, during which the load average on the system went from 0.40 and peaked at 1.78. With the change, the threadsuck took 46.54 seconds, and the load average went from 0.40 and peaked at 1.20.

Not as big of an improvement as I was expecting, but still significant.


DCJensen - Jan 09, 2004 9:54:10 pm PST #6513 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.

It's the fractions that add up when no one is looking (See Office Space ).