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John H - Nov 30, 2002 4:52:47 pm PST #1790 of 10000

Coming back with the answer to my question -- rather than showing no threads, it shows all threads. So the tweak would be to check for subs then put "you have no subscriptions, you need the edit profile page" for these hapless users. But who are they anyway? People with no subs don't see the Message Centre link anyway, so how did they get here?

Am I being annoying? Sunday morning, nothing to do, lots of coffee, sorry.


Jon B. - Nov 30, 2002 6:02:01 pm PST #1791 of 10000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

The only difference between the front page and the Message Center is that the former shows all threads while the latter shows only your subscribed threads. For those with no subscribed threads, the coders had a choice to make with respect to the Message Center--- either show no threads, or show all threads. For usability reasons (no one wants to see no threads) they picked the second, but rather than mess with the message center code, they decided to throw those users to the front page, since it does the same thing. I suppose we could have a warning message ("You have no subscribed threads"), but maybe you don't want any subscribed threads. In that case, the warning message would get annoying fast.


John H - Nov 30, 2002 6:24:04 pm PST #1792 of 10000

rather than mess with the message center code, they decided to throw those users to the front page, since it does the same thing.

Absolutely fine, and I agree, but the point I was making is that, despite the fact that I have metric shitloads of subscribed threads, if I start my browser and go straight to the message centre then I get kicked back to the front page.

For some reason, I seem to be erroneously failing the "user has at least one subscribed thread" test at that point.


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2002 7:27:12 pm PST #1793 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

John, your code is old. That bug has been fixed for most people. In fact, I wasn't aware that anyone was still experiencing it.

Can I have your OS/browser info again? And does it happen with all combos thereof?


John H - Nov 30, 2002 9:38:21 pm PST #1794 of 10000

I'm on MacOS 9.2.

I just tried it in Netscape 4.5, Opera 5, and IE5, and they all do the same thing.

In case there's any confusion, what I did was

  1. Launch browser and log in.("Remember Me" is enabled)
  2. Make a bookmark for Message Centre
  3. Quit the browser
  4. Start the browser up again
  5. Click on the bookmark
and every time I was flipped to index.php.


John H - Nov 30, 2002 9:42:43 pm PST #1795 of 10000

Just tried it in (Virtual) Windows IE5 and the same thing happened.


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2002 9:43:40 pm PST #1796 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Aha. What I hadn't realized (read: skimmed past) was that you were logged in when you hit index.php.

I think the PHP upgrade bit us. The version when the code was started handled session variables differently. This version seems to have switched over to just one way. Which is good, if I'd actually caught all the instances of the old way.


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2002 9:44:24 pm PST #1797 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's fixed now.


John H - Nov 30, 2002 11:49:31 pm PST #1798 of 10000

Bless you, so it is. Good work.

And I never would have whinged about it if it was just the minor annoyance, it was the bandwidth thing too, lots of extra hits on the front page I never needed to make.


Jon B. - Dec 01, 2002 1:35:38 am PST #1799 of 10000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

S'probably obvious, but I'm not seeing any images all of a sudden.