The next time you decide to stab me in the back... have the guts to do it to my face.

Mal ,'Ariel'


Heroes 1: We Could Be Heroes  

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Liese S. - Mar 27, 2008 11:57:06 am PDT #3511 of 5028
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Seriously! I don't want to deal with the Running Mascara of Doom. And don't get me started on how I hated Kensei and his whole storyline with the fiery passion of at least three or four suns.


Laura - Mar 27, 2008 11:57:54 am PDT #3512 of 5028
Our wings are not tired.

And don't get me started on how I hated Kensei and his whole storyline with the fiery passion of at least three or four suns.

Which is doubly sad when I liked the actor so much. Poo.


Laura - Mar 27, 2008 11:59:55 am PDT #3513 of 5028
Our wings are not tired.

I'm just going to believe that they will bring back all the beloved characters with sense making stories. The characters with also have a clue or two. There was so much good. I want it back!


DCJensen - Mar 27, 2008 7:49:56 pm PDT #3514 of 5028
All is well that ends in pizza.

I didn't mind Takezo Kensei/Adam so much until he showed up in the present. That could have been awesome, but then they just relegated him to Generic Bad Guy with Generic Bad Guy Plot. "I'm going to unleash a virus and destroy the world! Because some dork stole my girl four hundred years ago. Wah me!" Dude. Four hundred years ago. You've had more than ample time to get the fuck over it. I would much rather if his Plot would have been "I'm killing these fuckers because they jerked me around. Once I'm done, I'm out. Oh, and there's this virus that probably somebody should destroy, but I'ma steal it just in case a new group of World Changing Fucktards forms and decides to bother my ass again." And then have him succeed and keep him in reserve as a constant potential threat ala Victor Von Doom.

I really wanted Takezo Kensei/Adam to have learned and become at peace with the past and not be such a goofball villain.

I thought it would have been more interesting for him to have actually become a good guy and having to convince Hiro.

Then I read your idea and I want a re-write of mine.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 28, 2008 2:51:55 am PDT #3515 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I DID like Adam's eventual fate, because it was so nasty, but even that was kind of screwy because it seems a bit extreme for Hiro.


victor infante - Mar 28, 2008 4:15:38 am PDT #3516 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I mean, the writers' strike, I think, is the primary thing that made it seem cramped and unfocused, and they probably had awesome sweeping epic arcs in mind when they started, but the end product was...not as good as I hoped.

I think three things went wrong, actually:

  • Writer's Strike rushed them and robbed them of the ability to change gears and pull things out at the end. Kring knew there were problems shortly into the run, but had no way to fix them.

  • Bryan Fuller left to go do "Pushing Daisies." I really can't help but think that he was the guy who would look at a script or arc and say, "OK. What can we do to push this one step further?" Because that's what he's always done.

  • Kring made a huge mistake at the outset, and tried to make season two basically a retread of season one -- people running around only tangentially connected, trying to uncover things about their past. And we were cool with them learning things about their past -- all for it, really! -- but what we WANTED along the way was main characters interacting. Sure, new characters were fine -- I loved me KB this season, and I actually liked Bob a lot. And they were even useful! But we still have major characters who've barely been on screen together, and when each major character get his or her own supporting cast, well ... it gets a bit much. Kring called it when he said we actually wanted some adrenaline at that point.

The interviews so far have been encouraging, and he sounds like he gets it. They're not so far gone they can't pull it out, but they've got to recognize their errors, first.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 28, 2008 4:43:08 am PDT #3517 of 5028
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Bryan Fuller left to go do "Pushing Daisies." I really can't help but think that he was the guy who would look at a script or arc and say, "OK. What can we do to push this one step further?" Because that's what he's always done.

I'd completely forgotten about that. It probably also explains what happened to Claire this season, since I know she was his baby season 1, so to speak.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 28, 2008 5:33:18 am PDT #3518 of 5028
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

• Bryan Fuller left to go do "Pushing Daisies." I really can't help but think that he was the guy who would look at a script or arc and say, "OK. What can we do to push this one step further?" Because that's what he's always done.

Actually when you put it like that I'm a lot more at peace with the show's downturn, as I'd much rather have Pushing Daisies than a decent storyline for Claire.


victor infante - Mar 28, 2008 6:15:19 am PDT #3519 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Actually when you put it like that I'm a lot more at peace with the show's downturn, as I'd much rather have Pushing Daisies than a decent storyline for Claire.

Sure, and what seems to have happened is one problem fed another. Fuller leaves, so the guy who would have normally kept Kring on track was gone. Now, Kring's not bad, and has proven he can learn from his mistakes, but the strike robbed him and his staff of the time he'd need to step things up. It all seems to have come to a head all at once, with the results being a show that wasn't up to par with what the team had previously done.

Now, like I said, Kring's not dumb, and he's had some time to think about what went wrong and how he wants to fix it, and has been open and honest discussing that. I'm hoping the breathing room lets him get the show back on track.


Kat - Mar 28, 2008 6:17:18 am PDT #3520 of 5028
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I am in Matt's corner!

Until I just read all of this, I had forgotten how bad Heroes had gotten. Yoiks.