Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Somehow just feeding into my reading of her as deeply fucked up, not an innocent anymore.

You know, when we first meet Claire, she's jumping off buildings repeatedly to see what she can break. I think one of the neat things about Claire is that the viewer (and many characters) want to view her as an innocent, but I don't think she has been for the entire time we've known her.

I say send them back into the past with Hiro, where they'd have a good moral example and no working blackberries or iphones to distract them.

Somebody needs to take Claire and West aside and explain that with great power comes great responsibility.

Hee. Yes indeed.

I'm kind of with Typo Boy. I understand about the fucked up prank, but witchy cheerleader was hazing the whole fucking squad. I hate bullies and she needed to be dealt with.

West definitely has a dark side, so I wonder how much he'll lose his shit when he sees Claire's daddy.

West and HRG smackdown? that should be interesting.

I hate bullying. I was bullied horribly in junior high--humiliated publicly many times. But I agree with Kat P; to me, the prank was out of proportion and misguided. I think I would have been almost as traumtized by pulling a prank like that as I was by being bullied, and I think Claire was, too. That said, I think it was a very well-written scene and perfect to show the influence West is having on Claire. Who, for the record, is craxy and Sylar-esque and ick.

I am bored to tears by the Hiro story (which sucks since I like Hiro so much), and black-tears girl is making me want to retch. Mohinder gets a spine for two seconds and gets ikkiN as a partner--hm. Not sure how I feel about that. I hope her storyline goes somewhere.

The episode frustrated me, as is probably obvious.

I did like HRG killing his old friend, though. Horribly appropriate.

I am bored to tears by the Hiro story

I'm actually enjoying it, if only to watch Oka and Anders go at it, because the two of them can pretty much take turns reading the phone book and it'll be mildly interesting, but I agree that this storyline will only be worthwhile if it ties in to the rest of the stories. And if it ties in to the rest of the stories, that has some serious implications.

black-tears girl is making me want to retch

Well, she wouldn't be the first desperate young woman to fall in with a charming sociopath, but yeah, this one's holding my interest the least. (Is it wrong that I kind of dig Alejandro, though? I like the actor. He always seems to have more broiling under his skin than he's saying.)

What we have now, it seems, is a scenario that's reminiscent (maybe a little too reminiscent) to last season, with an apocalypse scenario and multiple paths to getting to it:

1.) Somehow Maya's responsible. 2.) The Company (or villains working counter to the Company) is responsible. 3.) Sylar with Maya's powers is responsible. Which? Retread. 4.) Peter with Maya's powers is responsible. Which? Mega Retread, to the Nth degree. Dear God do not go there again!

But that aside, I do like the fact that we have multiple antagonists running around -- Bob, Elle, Sylar, Maury the Nightmare Man, Kensai (sort of) and even even potentially West and Maya. It's the Heroes equivalent of the Legion of Doom, except that they're as tangential to each other as the protaganists are. Seriously, if either side ever gets organized, they'd be formidable. And that, I think, is the object lesson of the "Golden Age Heroes" -- that that sort of organization eventually corrupted them.

That being said, it's interesting how quickly I assume HRG and Nikki will end up on the side of the angels in the end. Certainly, they're painted in that light, but their actions are often questionable enough that I really should hold out the possibility of their going irredeemably bad.

this storyline will only be worthwhile if it ties in to the rest of the stories. And if it ties in to the rest of the stories, that has some serious implications.

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that one of Isaac's paintings is of an event that will take place in the past.

"will take place in the past"!!! Temporal mechanics gives me a headache.

Ooh, maybe it looks like it's in the past, but they start fighting and Hiro moves them to the present or future. (Well, certainly further ahead in the timeframe than Isaac lived to.)

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that one of Isaac's paintings is of an event that will take place in the past.

ETA: Well, it did take place in Hiro's relative future at that point. It's possible the clairvoyance follows a person's relative path, as opposed to an absolute linear timeline.

Or, to quoth The Doctor: People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect... but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff.