I always thought the name Serenity had a vaguely funereal sound to it.

Simon ,'Out Of Gas'


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Typo Boy - Oct 16, 2007 8:36:12 am PDT #2263 of 5028
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Wait, did Derek not suspect the twins were killers when he fled the prison with them, leaving dead cops lying on the floor? [on edit] the morning stupids are lasting longer than usual today - that was the point of Matt's joke.


Vonnie K - Oct 16, 2007 8:41:28 am PDT #2264 of 5028
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Someone on my Flist on LJ said Sylar is planning on 1) finding Mohinder and have Mo "cure" him 2) killing Alejandro and taking his power, thereby 3) taking control of Maya as his personal tool/weapon. Damn, that makes a lot of sense to me logically. I am cranky, because this will mean that we will have weeks and weeks more of Maya crying and being helpless and worse yet, being used as a destructive tool. BAH.

Unless she somehow gains control of her power and turns on Sylar like some vengeful Fury. Which... actually might be the direction they're going. They're laying on Maya's naivite really thick, which I think is their usual unsubtle way of suggesting how her character will change.

Question about the Dawson/Hawkins family tree: I thought Nana Dawson (Nichelle Nichols) is DL's maternal grandma and Micah's great-grandma. There were some people calling Nana Dawson Micah's gran, which is wrong since we met Mrs. Hawkins last year, but others are wondering whether Nana Dawson might be DL's aunt/mother's sister, but... I don't know. Nichols is in her 70's and DL at most was supposed to be in his early 30's. Seems more likely that she's his grandmother than an aunt.

On the other hand, Monica's Heroes wiki page says she's DL's niece and Micah's first cousin, which I can't quite make work with the above theory. I thought DL got his power through his mother's side because the name on the title card was "Dawson", not "Hawkins", but if Monica's his niece, then DL must have had siblings. Then Monica's mother who died in the storm might have been DL's sister...?

I'm so confused. I need to draw a freakin' genealogy chart or something.

t edited to remove a potentially spoilery info


Typo Boy - Oct 16, 2007 8:44:59 am PDT #2265 of 5028
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Well in spite of Maya's naivete, she has already shown she is willing to use her power consciously to kill, and use it to kill reasonably innocent people, even though she sobbed afterwards. She seems to be a practitioner of what the Israelis call "shoot and cry".


victor infante - Oct 16, 2007 9:01:34 am PDT #2266 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Then Monica's mother who died in the storm might have been DL's sister...?

She would indeed have been. There's a black woman (I'm not saying African-American, because she may well not have been American at all) in the ElderHeroes group picture. She doesn't appear to be Uhura, but that doesn't mean it may not be a relative of some sort.

Well in spite of Maya's naivete, she has already shown she is willing to use her power consciously to kill, and use it to kill reasonably innocent people, even though she sobbed afterwards. She seems to be a practitioner of what the Israelis call "shoot and cry".

Y'know, despite the crying, she's got some backbone. Aside fromt he fact that she's on a perilous quest here, she did go back for her brother, despite the risks. I think there's some depth there, but we need to see it soon.

That being said, I do like that, despite the "Latinos crossing the broder" stereotype, neither Maya nor Alejandro are illiterate (as evidenced by PapaSuresh's omnipresent book, and Maya at least speaks English. (And Alejandro seems to speak more than he lets on, probably so he can be more clued in to what's going on around him than people suspect.)

It's not my favorite storyline, but frankly, it's starting to show some possibilities.


tiggy - Oct 16, 2007 10:06:37 am PDT #2267 of 5028
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Wait, did Derek not suspect the twins were killers when he fled the prison with them, leaving dead cops lying on the floor

to be fair, the cops weren't dead any more than Derek was at that point. when Alejandra absorbed her "power" or whatever, it brought Derek and the cops back to life. so there was no reason for him to think Maya and Alejandro were killers.


victor infante - Oct 16, 2007 10:12:46 am PDT #2268 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Has anyone stopped to consider the real victim in all this? I'm talking, of course, about the Nissan Rogue -- which has gone from Claire to Derek to now Sylar. It's a good car, but it keeps falling in with worse and worse cars.


sumi - Oct 16, 2007 10:14:35 am PDT #2269 of 5028
Art Crawl!!!

Perhaps we could have an intervention for the Rogue.


victor infante - Oct 16, 2007 10:18:03 am PDT #2270 of 5028
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Perhaps we could have an intervention for the Rogue.

The Rogue needs our help, before The Nightmare Man steals it and starts driving it around.


Theodosia - Oct 16, 2007 10:23:51 am PDT #2271 of 5028
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

It was probably bought from the Nightmare Man's car dealership.


Pix - Oct 16, 2007 6:06:17 pm PDT #2272 of 5028
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Whee! I caught up with this episode while I was cooking dinner, and now I’m taking a few minutes to poke my head in here before getting back to work.

See, Sylar is completely unattractive to me. Neanderthal.
Sarameg is me. I am utterly repulsed by him, in fact, which is odd since I can see, objectively, that he is not unattractive. He’s just…I don’t know. Smarmy. I’ve never been much for the Norman Bates-esque mama-boys.

But seriously, how did he make it to the Mexican badlands becuase that forest did not look like Ole Mexico. And wasn't he all gutted from the skewer in the belly? Doubled over and couldn't hardly move? Now he's fine and it had only been two days according to poor, dead New Jersey dude? That's a far piece for someone who just had eight surgeries. He wasn't even limping anymore.
I have a serious issue with this. There had better be a decent backstory, because I am not buying the “in a jungle but walked to badlands in three days with a major injury” handwave. Nuh and uh. Also, I might have missed this, but how did he kill that guy if his powers aren’t back? And if they are back, why hasn’t he killed the Wonder Twins?

So I guess, from her conversation with Micah, that she knows about his power already?
I didn’t think so, but maybe you’re right. I thought she was just chastising him for stealing cable, but it does make sense the more I think about it.

Poor Matt. But you have to say, it was an awesome reveal. I can't wait to see where that goes!
YES! I’m thrilled with this twist. I totally didn’t see it coming.

I wanna learn more about the elders' powers. Aside from Simone's dad, Linderman, and Bob, do we know what any of the rest of them can actually do? Did we ever find out what Kaito could do? I know we don't know Mama Petrelli's power. Did we know Papa Petrelli's? Do we know Matt's dad's power (other than being the Nightmare Man)? What gives? Enquiring minds want to know.
Yes, yes, yes. Please and thank you.

So, the Latino characters' storyline revolves around making it to America to escape a bad situation they got into through no fault of their own. And the black characters' storyline revolves around trying to escape from poverty.
I agree that there’s some stereotypical storylines going on, but I think it’s unfair to make a blanket statement about the treatment of minority characters in general on the show. Simone and her dad were definitely not in any danger of poverty—and for the record, I’m not entirely convinced we’ve seen the last of Charles, given the whole Peter vision thing—and the Haitian (though lacking a name, which annoys me) is a fascinating character who I think will play a more central role as the season progresses. As for Isaac, his drug problem struck me much more as an artist stereotype than a Latino stereotype, and I, like Victor, was glad to learn that Maya is bilingual and that both characters are literate. Add that to Mohinder, Hiro, Ando, etc., and I think this show does a much better job having a diverse cast who aren’t all about their diversity than most shows out there. Don’t get me wrong—I see the flaws. But still.

Has anyone stopped to consider the real victim in all this? I'm talking, of course, about the Nissan Rogue -- which has gone from Claire to Derek to now Sylar. It's a good car, but it keeps falling in with worse and worse cars.
I t heart Victor.