Spike: Lots of fuss over one girl. Other things to do around here--important things. Angel: You know that whoosh thing you do when you're suddenly not there anymore? I love that.

'Unleashed'


Natter Five-O: Book 'Em, Danno.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 05, 2007 7:10:56 am PST #5085 of 10001
What is even happening?

I don't agree from a logical standpoint -- just as anybody who has shattered an ankle can tell you that "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is a fallacy (known as the false dichotomy ) -- but you're right, it's not anything new in terms of the traditions of Catholic doctrine.

I don't understand your logical standpoint, Nutty. He's not calling those things bad. He's saying that Christians abandoning the central fact of the faith, and waving around a watered down version of the faith in its place, because its more palatable, is what is wrong. I mean, I don't expect you to share it, because you don't have the same theological perspective, but it's pretty simple, and pretty logical from his perspective.


§ ita § - Mar 05, 2007 7:11:02 am PST #5086 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I fail to get the distinction between absolute and relative too. The core of what he's saying makes sense (although I have no dog in that race), but some of the dressing confuses.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 05, 2007 7:13:40 am PST #5087 of 10001
What is even happening?

I fail to get the distinction between absolute and relative too. The core of what he's saying makes sense (although I have no dog in that race), but some of the dressing confuses.
Yeah, the only absolute value Biffi listed that didn't make me scratch my head was the word "truth" and that's because Christ describes himself as the truth, so I can understand making that an equivalent -- that is the absolute is God; Christians believe Jesus is God incarnate; Jesus said, "I am the truth," therefore truth is absolute because God is truth.

I wish there was a transcript.


§ ita § - Mar 05, 2007 7:26:28 am PST #5088 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh my god. The cute! It kills. Someone's definitely related to Mommy.


Gudanov - Mar 05, 2007 7:31:38 am PST #5089 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I think I pretty much get what he is saying. The antichrist isn't necessarily a person but an attitude. If christians feel like being a good person and going to church every Sunday but don't dedicate themselves to Christ, then they are working against Christ in a sense.


Strega - Mar 05, 2007 7:34:35 am PST #5090 of 10001

Yeah, I think the absolute values vs. relative values has a specific meaning. I'm just guessing, but I think part of it is that things either are true or they are not. They are good or they are not. They are beautiful or they are not. (From his point of view, anyway.) "Respect for nature" is kind of murky as values go.

And presumably, since God is the ultimate expression of truth, beauty, love, goodness, etc., those things exist regardless of whether anything else does. They are eternal. The "relative values" he mentioned are about the material world.

...Or I could be totally wrong. But the distinction made sense to me that way, so I'm going with it.


flea - Mar 05, 2007 7:36:12 am PST #5091 of 10001
information libertarian

Dude, if I were Jennifer Garner and I were lurking here, I'd be rounding up some ninjas to protect my kid from an ita kidnapping-cutepocalypse.


tommyrot - Mar 05, 2007 7:37:44 am PST #5092 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Yeah, I think the absolute values vs. relative values has a specific meaning. I'm just guessing, but I think part of it is that things either are true or they are not. They are good or they are not. They are beautiful or they are not. (From his point of view, anyway.) "Respect for nature" is kind of murky as values go.

Well that makes sense. But since I'm Mr. anti-dualism, I find stuff like that annoying.


shrift - Mar 05, 2007 7:40:01 am PST #5093 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

The antichrist isn't necessarily a person but an attitude.

You rang?


§ ita § - Mar 05, 2007 7:41:56 am PST #5094 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like to borrow kids and pinch their cheeks and indulge some fun naughtiness. But I give them back always, and more hurriedly if bodily fluids are concerned.

Violet does look like a cute baby to borrow, though. Maybe Gwen Stefani's boy can impregnate her and Shiloh, and then there could be supercuteness.