Jayne: Captain, can you stop her from bein' cheerful, please? Mal: I don't believe there is a power in the 'verse that can stop Kaylee from being cheerful. Sometimes you just wanna duct tape her mouth and dump her in the hold for a month.

'Serenity'


Natter Five-O: Book 'Em, Danno.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - Feb 22, 2007 9:29:42 am PST #2917 of 10001
brillig

I adore that keyboard

I also adore Craig Ferguson. He never makes any bones on his show about how he was an idiot with the alcohol back in the day. He makes it seem funny instead of preachy. His recent interview with Peter O'Toole was something else, with both of them discussing the things they probably don't remember while under the influence. Plus O'Toole started talking about one time he was in Scotland, Ferguson said, "I'm from there! Did you see the whatzit?" and you could just hear the LA udience going, "Oh, god, they're going UK old home week up there." I loved it because, well, Peter O'Toole, being sardonic, and Ferguson, going "I'm talking to Peter O'Toole!"


§ ita § - Feb 22, 2007 9:31:05 am PST #2918 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think admitting you were and are an alcoholic who considered suicide is an embarrassing personal admission, not a boast.

I see the discussion of himself as separate from his revelations and how he plans to handle certain celebrities from now on. I admit, the first time I heard about this, the alcoholism was redacted. So that colours it, although I'm trying to adjust--certainly the bulk of that twelve minutes was about himself.

I don't consider the admission embarassing myself. Difficult to make, perhaps, but not embarassing. This may be the result of coming to know people who say simply "I can't take that class. I have a meeting." And it's just that. They have a problem, they have meetings. End of drama.

But onto the celeb thing. I think it's incredibly weird for a celeb to suddenly realise other celebrities are people. You or I might think we'll never meet any, and can treat them as a separate species in our heads and in our speech (although I refuse to, adamantly). But he's one of them. That admission irritates me,

He made fun of his rehab roommate in his spiel. Britney's out of bounds because she's not sober yet? What makes them different from each other?

Most irritating of all, though, was his audience that laughed when he'd told them he wasn't making jokes. They just waited for space and then laughed. It took way too long for them to get the point.

As for K Fed being funny and Britney not...I'm still not sure why. I have no reason not to think he's a fucked up piece of work that is toxic (no pun intended) to himself and people around him. I just don't get the same air of pathos.


sumi - Feb 22, 2007 9:35:32 am PST #2919 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I kind of like this picture of the post-Mastiff destruction.


Connie Neil - Feb 22, 2007 9:43:49 am PST #2920 of 10001
brillig

I kind of like this picture of the post-Mastiff destruction.

Someone needs to make one of those "I'm in ur hous, eatin ur hous" kinds of captions.


Daisy Jane - Feb 22, 2007 9:44:22 am PST #2921 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Weirdly aggravating exchange with a customer:

I have that exchange at least 3 or 4 times a day. I think that people don't have in their heads what they want, and are kinda waiting for us to guess, so they fill in that empty space where they should be relating what exactly in the hell it is they need with overly polite small talk.

It wastes my time.

" Hi Daisy how are you? Good. Good. Good. Y'all busy there today?" I mean it's this whole chit chat thing with someone who hasn't even told me his name yet, or said anything that would indicate a reason for the call or why he's being so familiar with me and OH MY GOD GET TO THE FUCKING POINT ALREADY!


bon bon - Feb 22, 2007 9:47:30 am PST #2922 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I don't consider the admission embarassing myself. Difficult to make, perhaps, but not embarassing. This may be the result of coming to know people who say simply "I can't take that class. I have a meeting." And it's just that. They have a problem, they have meetings. End of drama.

Well, it's not true for everyone, and your perception is biased when you really can't know for sure who is too embarrassed to talk about it. I know I failed to mention that my dad was in rehab last year to everyone, with the exception of Bob, and we didn't talk about it either. It really had nothing to do with drama.

He made fun of his rehab roommate in his spiel. Britney's out of bounds because she's not sober yet? What makes them different from each other?

The roommate was presumably anonymous. I don't think it's about making fun of alcoholism; I think his problem is shaming people who are weakened by factors beyond their immediate control, like alcoholism.


Kathy A - Feb 22, 2007 9:48:11 am PST #2923 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

My mom said she could always tell when she had a salesman doing some cold-calling on the phone at work because they would invariably call her "Kathy." Her name is "Kathleen" or "Kay," and she was never called "Kathy" (that's me!). So, the salesman would always start off the call with a really ticked off nurse trying to do her job and ready to hang up on him just because he was presuming to know her name.


Sheryl - Feb 22, 2007 9:48:34 am PST #2924 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Happy Birthday Laura!

I am home because someone spilled phenol in the lab, fairly close to my desk. He wiped up the spill, but the fumes remain. Safety and Fire Department people came by and claimed to have cleaned it up, but still: fumes. It was making my headache worse, so I took off.


Miracleman - Feb 22, 2007 9:51:22 am PST #2925 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

" Hi Daisy how are you? Good. Good. Good. Y'all busy there today?" I mean it's this whole chit chat thing with someone who hasn't even told me his name yet, or said anything that would indicate a reason for the call or why he's being so familiar with me and OH MY GOD GET TO THE FUCKING POINT ALREADY!"

2 more aggravating things:

1) The person who just will NOT SHUT UP while you're trying to help them.

"Can you check on this PO for me?"

"Certainly, just a moment."

"Because I put it in yesterday."

"Uh-huh."

"I just wanted to make sure you got it."

"Okay, I'm just..."

"I really like your products..."

LISTEN, lady, I seriously DO NOT CARE. I want to answer your question and get you the FUCK off my phone. SHUT UP while I do that, kay?

2) "(Company Name), this Joe, how can I help you?"

"Hi. This is Marcia."

"Hi Marcia."

...

...

...

...

"Can I help you with something, Marcia?"

Like I'm supposed to know who the fuck "Marcia" is or something. "Oh, hi Marcia, I received your psychic plea for help through the aether and I'm not only looking up your PO right now, but I'm also arranging for you to finally experience a satisfying orgasm with your husband. Be just a sec."


§ ita § - Feb 22, 2007 9:52:03 am PST #2926 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

your perception is biased when you really can't know for sure who is too embarrassed to talk about it

From what Connie says, it's not embarassing for him. From his delivery it didn't seem so to me. He seemed quite matter of fact, not as if he had to muster his bravery, or god forbid, was having an Oprah moment.

The roommate was presumably anonymous. I don't think it's about making fun of alcoholism; I think his problem is shaming people who are weakened by factors beyond their immediate control, like alcoholism.

Fair point. I didn't think that it was about making fun of alcholism--but the divide that you're harshing on people where *I* actually know who the person is (and they know millions of people know) is a clear divide.

Him not thinking ahead to meeting the people he gets laughs off of is just plain weird. It's not even like you should need to think ahead to meeting them. It's not about meeting them. It's about them existing and having feelings that may be affected by your work.