From People's Forum in the Angel Topic: [link]

Edit: This culture of cowardice is starting to irk me. I wish people would use their real names so I can tell who I'm speaking to. I have half formed and unverifiable thoughts as to who I might be speaking to, never sure. Could be Joe Bloggs from down the road or the galactic emperor himself no way to know.

Although to be sure the Emperor would have more guts so I reckon it's safe to assume Joe Bloggs until anything suggests otherwise.

And when it's just a waitress with delusions of grandeur hiding behind a username it's one thing, but when that person is actually SCREWING with me...!

How am I supposed to save him when he acts so completely suicidal? I mean he could at least say *Thankyou* or send an email to introduce himself.

I'm not really sure what this is about and what it means. But this along with calling the Buffistas vengeful don't seem to be the words of someone who wants to play nice.

All that stuff I said about not liking the turmoil on the community... well, now I don't like what is being said either.

Also if stuff in our topic in PF isn't fair game, I'll delete this if requested.

Hm. I wrote this Safety Page long ago, and you're welcome to rip anything from it if it helps with harassment language.

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I'm sorry, but I think that comment this morning is unclear to the point that I can't decide if I think it's offensive or not.

snerk. You've just described the entire Zoe experience.

Yes, a system.

I think this is one of those things we may need to vote on.

Where do we stand on making motions for votes?

LJ, do you have no problems with the idea of anonymous complaints against you?

Logically, I understand why we should keep the procedure in the sunshine. Emotionally, I feel that if someone were being such a pain in the ass that ten people took the time to email a specific complaint to a stompy, they already probably pretty much know what they're doing and may well know who they're pissing off.

But: Point taken, point understood, proposal withdrawn.

I have to go do work.

You've just described the entire Zoe experience.

Well, except for those times when I am clear that stuff is offensive.

I think that since PF and WX are still Buffista fora, they're subject to the same CS as here.

However, that little snippet doesn't make a bit of sense to me, so I can't really offer an opinion about whether or not it's hostile. Sorry!

Ah. But here, a flame war would, I'm pretty sure, lead to warning/suspension more quickly than anything else.

Awhile back in Angel, Wenda called Tim a coward with no balls. I wanted to go through the screen, and thought it was a big toasty flame.

No one really called her on it, so I thought I was insane. Was that not a flame that merited a warning?

What about my obvious smacking around of Zoe? Shouldn't I have been warned? I was flaming her, and I meant to do it. Where be my spanking?

See, I think the difference is pervasiveness. Zoe is pervasively an asshole. Ban. Her.

I'm sorry, but I think that comment this morning is unclear to the point that I can't decide if I think it's offensive or not.

Calling us vengeful zealots? Seems pretty damn clear to me. And pretty fucking insulting.

And she has not bothered to reply to my request to clarify it.

Having skipped the last 600-odd posts to find that y'all are still discussing how to deal with Zoe in the particular and trollish behavior in the general, I agree with Msbelle that enforcement of community standards is one of the things that this community needs to vote on. Therefore, I second the call for proposals and a vote.