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'The Message'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Dana - Apr 14, 2003 12:42:05 pm PDT #9835 of 10001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I'm sorry, but I think that comment this morning is unclear to the point that I can't decide if I think it's offensive or not.

snerk. You've just described the entire Zoe experience.


msbelle - Apr 14, 2003 12:42:39 pm PDT #9836 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Yes, a system.

I think this is one of those things we may need to vote on.

Where do we stand on making motions for votes?


Lyra Jane - Apr 14, 2003 12:43:45 pm PDT #9837 of 10001
Up with the sun

LJ, do you have no problems with the idea of anonymous complaints against you?

Logically, I understand why we should keep the procedure in the sunshine. Emotionally, I feel that if someone were being such a pain in the ass that ten people took the time to email a specific complaint to a stompy, they already probably pretty much know what they're doing and may well know who they're pissing off.

But: Point taken, point understood, proposal withdrawn.

I have to go do work.


Jesse - Apr 14, 2003 12:44:30 pm PDT #9838 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

You've just described the entire Zoe experience.

Well, except for those times when I am clear that stuff is offensive.


Jessica - Apr 14, 2003 12:46:19 pm PDT #9839 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I think that since PF and WX are still Buffista fora, they're subject to the same CS as here.

However, that little snippet doesn't make a bit of sense to me, so I can't really offer an opinion about whether or not it's hostile. Sorry!


Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 12:48:32 pm PDT #9840 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Ah. But here, a flame war would, I'm pretty sure, lead to warning/suspension more quickly than anything else.

Awhile back in Angel, Wenda called Tim a coward with no balls. I wanted to go through the screen, and thought it was a big toasty flame.

No one really called her on it, so I thought I was insane. Was that not a flame that merited a warning?

What about my obvious smacking around of Zoe? Shouldn't I have been warned? I was flaming her, and I meant to do it. Where be my spanking?

See, I think the difference is pervasiveness. Zoe is pervasively an asshole. Ban. Her.


Steph L. - Apr 14, 2003 12:49:16 pm PDT #9841 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I'm sorry, but I think that comment this morning is unclear to the point that I can't decide if I think it's offensive or not.

Calling us vengeful zealots? Seems pretty damn clear to me. And pretty fucking insulting.

And she has not bothered to reply to my request to clarify it.


Hayden - Apr 14, 2003 12:49:34 pm PDT #9842 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Having skipped the last 600-odd posts to find that y'all are still discussing how to deal with Zoe in the particular and trollish behavior in the general, I agree with Msbelle that enforcement of community standards is one of the things that this community needs to vote on. Therefore, I second the call for proposals and a vote.


Kat - Apr 14, 2003 12:49:41 pm PDT #9843 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Don't be sorry, Jessica. It was the third in a series of posts about hating how the forum was empty, and I read it that she was pissed that we were all "hiding". The link: [link] may clear it up. Or probably not.


justkim - Apr 14, 2003 12:52:46 pm PDT #9844 of 10001
Another social casualty...

FWIW, I took Zoe's "zealots" comment to mean that we are fanatical about Buffy/Angel (the ostensible reason we came together in the first place). I agree her comment was unfortunate in light of the current activity. I support her getting a warning, so I am not a Zoe-apologist.

But, remember, we are the people who have a FAQ about whether or not we're a cult. We are the people who filk and recap and analyze to bits the ME universes. We can be zealous in our love for the show.

Perhaps that is all Zoe meant.