But... but... I'm an anarchist! That's the whole point!

To marriage? Most certainly. ;)

300+ posts in Bureacracy and not one from yours truly. Agree with most of the stuff. I was one of Z's biggest defender in the Allyson kerfuffle, and now I'm beginning to see Allyson's side. A warning was long-deserved.

On a separate note, Allyson, I'm sorry you've found this board less than ideal, and I'm sorry for anything I did to contribute to that feeling. Please come back.

Process Geeks Unite!!

As soon as they have enough comments they say "OK, we've have enough info" and ask that comments stop, possibly waiting for potential warnee to say something if enough time has not been given.

Gar, I'm thinking, where Bureaucracy is a place that people make administrative decisions, this may work. But where Bureaucracy is a place that people express their feelings? Not so good. I know that the latter isn't entirely pertinent to the decision-making process nor to the Stompy informational needs, but it's part of what happens. I don't think, once begun, that an emotional outpouring can be stopped on command.

Me, I like to see it all talked out, even the endless circular stuff, because it satisfies a confessional need among the posters and it allows us all to try to think out our positions as we argue pro/con whatever's on the table. I mean, I'm never pleased when Bureaucracy balloons with unhappiness, but inasmuch as the unhappiness is expressed openly and acknowledged by all, and inasmuch as we're all working to minimize unhappiness, I feel good about how we use Bureaucracy. Even the repetitive and boring parts. That are repetitive. And redundant.

After mostly skimming today (new job, wot wot), a couple of things:

ita: Yes, one of my points is that there's no process in place. Thank you for taking on the odious task of warning her.

Is anybody interested in figuring out how many people actually said that she deserves a warning because of this issue, as opposed to just in general because everyone else is so obviously upset? (I'm in the second group, if you're counting.) I'd be interested to use that as a baseline for Stompies to figure out when enough is enough.

I'm somehow involved in all the kerfluffles lately, aren't I?

Me, I like to see it all talked out, even the endless circular stuff, because it satisfies a confessional need among the posters and it allows us all to try to think out our positions as we argue pro/con whatever's on the table. I mean, I'm never pleased when Bureaucracy balloons with unhappiness, but inasmuch as the unhappiness is expressed openly and acknowledged by all, and inasmuch as we're all working to minimize unhappiness, I feel good about how we use Bureaucracy. Even the repetitive and boring parts. That are repetitive. And redundant.

Wrod. And it needed to be repeated.

Also, I move that the word "inasmuch" should be included in every post on this thread as often as possible. It just makes things seem more legal.

One thing I just noted: Two apologies in Building A Better Mouthtrap Board from Zoe. This is the type of behavior everyone wants from her, yes? Then, those who were apologised to might want to acknowledge the apologies.

Is anybody interested in figuring out how many people actually said that she deserves a warning because of this issue, as opposed to just in general because everyone else is so obviously upset?

Inasmuch as I would rather gouge out my eyes, no.

Two apologies in Building A Better Mouthtrap Board from Zoe. This is the type of behavior everyone wants from her, yes? Then, those who were apologised to might want to acknowledge the apologies.

Not exactly, no. Because those weren't apologies for being rude. They were for making a mistake about who fucks with the DB.

But, not directed at me, yo. (edit: that sounds snarkier than intended. Sorry 'bout that. Not with it today.)

Because those weren't apologies for being rude.

It's a starting point, yes?

A starting point would be to come over here and participate in the discussion about the problems she's causing.