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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


§ ita § - Apr 12, 2003 2:52:21 pm PDT #9434 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not talking about not ticking off the person doing it, I'm talking about not letting the situation blow-out.

I think it's very subjective. I and others may be more primed for a blowout with that approach, rather than less.


Trudy Booth - Apr 12, 2003 2:52:52 pm PDT #9435 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

If fifteen people calmly tell me I've gone over the line

It's pretty much happened, hasn't it?

But it hasn't been calm. The cumulative effect has been decidedly un-calm. If it's the same statement fifteen times there is simply less fuel for the fire.


§ ita § - Apr 12, 2003 2:53:54 pm PDT #9436 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But it hasn't been calm

Go back. Read. It was calm. And then ... it devolved. Because people are human. If it's gotten to the place where people CAN'T self-Doblerise, then they can't do your shorthand either, can they?


Trudy Booth - Apr 12, 2003 2:54:22 pm PDT #9437 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I think in this particular situation it could be useful.


arby - Apr 12, 2003 2:55:03 pm PDT #9438 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

And on the whole Zoe question, if we give her this unofficial warning, if she ignores it, can she get an official warning?

I think so - that's why I'm calling it Stage 1. See Cindy's post (which I am too lazy to Nilly) saying hopefully getting the unofficial warning (or Notice if you prefer) would be enough to encourage those who want to play nice to change their behavior. And it wouldn't have to be such a Big Deal to issue one, because it's intended to be a Nice Heads Up.


§ ita § - Apr 12, 2003 2:55:15 pm PDT #9439 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think in this particular situation it could be useful.

Again, we disagree. I think it has been tried, it failed, and there's no reason to think it would work again.


Cindy - Apr 12, 2003 2:56:31 pm PDT #9440 of 10001
Nobody

I don't know Trudy, I think it might make me mad to be on either the giving or receiving end of it. Also? I already mother 3 people. I don't want to group-mother random people on the internet.

Zoe, that wasn't nice.

Christopher, don't stand on the couch.

Julia, put my necklace back.

Benjamin, use your inside voice, please.

See what I mean?


arby - Apr 12, 2003 2:57:00 pm PDT #9441 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

[Hideous-looking but delicious omelette:]

What ita said.


Trudy Booth - Apr 12, 2003 2:57:13 pm PDT #9442 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

If it's gotten to the place where people CAN'T self-Doblerise, then they can't do your shorthand either, can they?

Again, think of it as a sit-in. One guy spontaneously sits at a counter, even five, it's just a fight. If a big honkin' group of people agree to do it a statement can be made.

(Fortunately, no one is going to turn hoses on us. We are risking NOTHING by doing it.)


Fay - Apr 12, 2003 2:58:04 pm PDT #9443 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

But it hasn't been calm. The cumulative effect has been decidedly un-calm.

Sometimes, yes. But not always. At present people are acting as individuals who share a sense of mounting frustration. If everyone automatically started churning out the calming phrase en masse the effect would instantly polarise a situation. Way worse than at present.

I really don't agree with the calming phrase idea. Bigtime.