When other community members feel like they're asking for an enforcement of the etiquette, well, we have a problem.

Might be partially because it doesn't happen often. Which, when you think about it, ISN'T a problem.

Might be partially because it doesn't happen often.

I disagree. Speaking from my experience, I was all squirmy about asking because it is a direct opposition to the community wide DNFTEC plan and because I feel like it marks me a not nice person. Which, oddly, is not something I relish.

Yeah, you know, I was getting pretty annoyed with Schmoker, but I didn't read Bureaucracy, so I didn't know he got banned. But he too had his moments. I guess that's why we have to have so much discussion, because if ALL someone's posts were offensive, it'd be easy to say "ban 'em".

So it sounded like we have a procedure for warning and banning, but what about initiating the process? Maybe if x number of people vote in Bureaucracy to do it? Or x%? There has to be a way of doing it that won't be easy to corrupt or otherwise use unfairly. Maybe if the number of objectionable posts goes above x?

I can't tell you the trepidation I felt when I asked if anyone else thought that mieskye and Schmoker were the same person.

And, really, the standards exist, they get pointed out, they get ignored, there's a warning.

I felt uncomfortable, not because it doesn't happen often, but because I was afraid that my request for an enforement of etiquette would be seen as a breach of etiquette.

That is a problem.

Which is my roundabout way of saying that the list is diverse enough to indicate a problem.

Add me to that list.

Frankly, I'm behind in a lot of threads, and addressing Zoe's posts seems moot by the time I get to them, or it feels like I'm yelling, "Burn the witch! Burn the witch!"

No, she didn't turn me into a newt.

Zoe has posted things both with, and most importantly without, provocation that have been rude. If I posted what she posts, I would most definitely expect a bad-behavior check from someone -- and I devoutly hope that should I post something as jackassian as she sometimes posts, someone would ask me to Doblerize my freak ass.

In fact, please do.

If we had MARCIE, I would put Zoe on it. I most certainly do not agree with every Buffista posting here, but I think we've always managed to disagree in a civilized manner. But with Zoe, I understand no rhyme or reason, and she raises my blood pressure to an unhealthy degree.

I don't find her behavior within acceptable parameters most of the time. Should she be banned? No, of course not. Should someone ask her to rethink her posting habits? Yeah, I definitely think so.

I think the disconnect I'm seeing is that people don't seem to consider their responses to Zoe as rude. I'm afraid I feel differently.

I'm going to agree with Victor here. A lot. And I think a pile-on from the cool kids (ie-- vetrans) is wrong even if someone has it coming.

Now, if the "deliberately stirrs poo" theory is correct a warning is just going to be a triumph.

If the "some sort of mental gap" theory is correct (which is my thinking too, smonster) a warning won't do any good. No, a delay or whatever doesn't excuse anti-social behaivor, but sometimes it explains it. And sometimes it makes bad behaivors unavoidable.

Either way, I think the best course of action is just to scroll past what pisses you off.

I felt uncomfortable, not because it doesn't happen often, but because I was afraid that my request for an enforement of etiquette would be seen as a breach of etiquette.

That is a problem.

Exactly - people shouldn't have to ask (or be afraid to ask) for the rules to be enforced. The rules should be self-enforcing. Of course that means endless discussion and voting, Buffista-style. Not that there's anything wrong with that. (See thread title.)

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I think the disconnect I'm seeing is that people don't seem to consider their responses to Zoe as rude. I'm afraid I feel differently.

Actually, I think people know their responses to her are rude - they are tired of asking nicely and getting a rude response.]

Xpost with Elena! A first! [/natter]

But when it's something truly hateful or offensive? How do you let that go by? Really, I want to know. Because if I'd been privy to some of the posts real-time, I'd have said something. And I'm pretty damn genial and tolerant.

And if people are rude to her it's after a great deal of tongue biting.

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