Ah, yes, of course. The gypsies, they gave you your soul. The gypsies are filthy people. Ptui! We shall speak of them no more.

Ilona Costa Bianchi ,'The Girl in Question'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Rebecca Lizard - Nov 24, 2002 11:21:53 pm PST #849 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Also, wearing something "on your head".


Noumenon - Nov 25, 2002 12:19:16 am PST #850 of 10001
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

We should really get a script to do this... but I search.phped and the current use of the phrase, the one that will get people asking, "What's the history behind this?" looks something like this:

I'm wearing a new bra right now, and it's fucking great! (Response: "I kind of doubt it's fucking great if you don't actually have it on your head." Point for Rebecca.)

I'm bedswapping right now, it's fucking GREAT.

I'm reading extreme-lefty news online right now and it's fucking great

I'm using Feria right now, and it's fucking great!

Tep, try 1800flowers.com.
I'm looking at them right now. (And it's fucking great...)

I'm wearing him on my head right now, and it's fucking great.

IMing the sweetie now, and it's fucking great!

I'm going home from work RIGHT NOW! and it's fucking great!

(Quote:)There are four deer in my yard right now.
(Response)and it's fucking great!!

I'm eating paté right now, and it's fucking great!

I have a freezer pack on my head right now...
and it's fucking great.

And so forth. Isn't the Internet fucking great?


Rebecca Lizard - Nov 25, 2002 12:22:11 am PST #851 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Really anything that anyone says with "I'm [x]ing right now" or "I've got [x] right now" is just begging for it.

I love the Buffistas.


John H - Nov 25, 2002 12:53:12 am PST #852 of 10001

This is a terrible thing to have to post while everyone's having such fun, but it's been something I've had to think about recently at work.

What would happen if something libellous was posted here, and the libelee (obviously made up word, where's Shawn? got to hear about it?

If I post, for instance "Consolidated Widgets are a terrible company and are about to go bankrupt", we could, at least theoretically, be liable, right?

I'm just wondering who would get sued. If it's an individual, like Jesse or something, that's quite a scary thought.

Do we have a policy, first off, on deleting legally problematic content?

And if it happened, Joss forbid, what would be the consequences?


Cindy - Nov 25, 2002 5:23:23 am PST #853 of 10001
Nobody

This is tough for a lot of reasons. For one thing, even though web stuff is what I'd consider libellous - my understanding is that it has sometimes been handled (in the courts) as slander. My guess is that different states treat it differently, too. People are allowed to state their opinions so how would we even draw a line? Are there Buffista attorneys?


Fred Pete - Nov 25, 2002 7:41:07 am PST #854 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Are there Buffista attorneys?

I don't work in the area. But IIRC -- Libel is written, slander is spoken. So if it's posted on the Web, it could be libel but not slander. Not sure if there are any other differences between the two.

The line between libel and not depends on who you're talking about. It's harder for public figures to prove that they were libelled.

Opinion usually isn't libel. To take John's example, "Consolidated Widgets is a terrible company" probably isn't libel -- it could mean anything. "They're about to go bankrupt" could be libel, if (1) they aren't, and (2) you know (or have reason to believe) they aren't.

As to the Web, I'm not sure how liability plays out. I vaguely remember hearing about unsuccessful lawsuits against AOL and/or Prodigy on the subject, but that could be memory playing tricks on me. I'd argue that a Web site is like the phone company or the Postal Service as opposed to a newspaper or magazine -- just a conduit for information, with no control over the nature of the information. The problem with that argument is that the Webmasters do have the ability to edit content.


Cindy - Nov 25, 2002 8:54:28 am PST #855 of 10001
Nobody

Fred, that our words are written here is why I say it would make sense to me that it is libel. I remember being surprised when a Bronzer-attorney told me that some cases had been handled as slander - I don't remember if it was because there is question as to whether or not things posted can be equated to things officially published. It made no sense to me at the time, either. I will check with the Bronzer attorney to see if I'm remembering this incorrectly. Whether slander or libel though isn't a big deal. I wouldn't want to see any Buffista bothered about either. Maybe we need to incorporate the phrases "in my opinion", "rumor has it - and I have no idea if this is true" and "allegedly"?


bon bon - Nov 25, 2002 9:00:36 am PST #856 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

What is Libel?

Don't worry about it, John. Seriously. Consider Microsoft. And all the bbs in all the world, and all the people who hate Microsoft. And yet, have you ever heard of these opinions being silenced by Microsoft's trigger-happy litigation? We don't have nearly enough influence to make this ever, ever an issue.


DXMachina - Nov 25, 2002 10:08:28 am PST #857 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Brought over from press:

Note -- buffistas.org has a mailing list functionality. I can set up any required ones.

ita, that is so cool (and now that I think of it, I remember you mentioning this before, but maybe it was only to the admins). I can get Yahoo groups, but I'm not crazy about them.


Jen - Nov 25, 2002 10:34:35 am PST #858 of 10001
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

That RULES. ita, can you set up a somervillains@buffistas.org list? Does one have to be a Stompy Foot to add people to it/manage it/etc? What's required to make it all happen?

I'd love to ditch yahoogroups.