Actually, it's kind of hard to decide this without knowing what the MVT will turn out to be. If it's high, I can see wanting to be able to add to the vote without expressing a preference. But if the MVT is below, say, thirty, then I don't see the need.

I'm with Brenda. I cop to right now still not getting the point of the MVT, and therefore would like to be able to "present" to make sure the MVT is met so that the people that have an opinion one way or another can have an effect.

But why not just vote then? I can't see caring enough to see that something has an effect, but not caring enough to vote one way or another.

I can't see caring enough to see that something has an effect, but not caring enough to vote one way or another.

But lots of us can see just that. So why not vote to include us?

WTF, Jon? Is there a problem if I don't vote your way?

Wow. I can't think of a better reason to NOT count abstentions as part of the MVT. This seems to go way beyond simple to me, if simple is our goal. I was unsure which way to vote on counting abstentions, now the choice seems clear to me. If you don't vote, your lack of vote doesn't count.

Burrell, if you'll go back, you'll see I suggested that when I didn't know Jon could construct a ballot where we could skip some items and vote on others. It's a non-issue now. Also - see Sophia's posts on clarifying why the "count me towards the MVT" vote isn't necessary.

This is a discussion. It's brainstorming. People are going to come up with suggestions and still not be married to them.

I can't see caring enough to see that something has an effect, but not caring enough to vote one way or another.

But I can. Unlike you, I can't see needing an MVT. Which is why we agree to vote differently.

Me too. If someone wanted to have a krav thread, I'd never visit it, not necessarily want to vote in favor of it, given the general atmosphere of anti-thread-proliferation, but not be against it, either. I'd want the votes of those who do care to count.

People are going to come up with suggestions and still not be married to them.

Hey, I'm not fully decided either, but I resent being told I should vote one way, even if I disagree, because those who feel that way shouldn't be "left out."

Honestly, I think that the abstentions rule will pass. Why? Because so far, EVERY change has been voted in, even when two changes seem to contradict each other.

I think it is funny that the only 2 things, other then getting this straightened out, that I have a big opinion about is that we should be voting and that votes other than yes and no shouldn't count.

OK-- I think I might try a position piece.