It's funnt becuase I think 2 differant people forumlated 3 and 4, and it shows!

Please excuse my typing-- I've had a beer.

Thanks Sophia, you're a legend.

Seconded.

See what you guys did? You drove poor Sophia to drink.

I've just had Merlot. But I'm pronouncing it MerFreedom, Sophia.

WHEW! Laura posted which means I can post so we can keep our posting numbers in equilibrium.

I'm also posting this here because I'm too exhausted to take this backchannel and I don't see the point of using backchannel for something which happened here.

I don't need to be made to feel better. I just want to point out that the people whowere using the phrase "bullshit consensus" before need to realize that complaining about the phrase "Gang of 14" now is more than a little hypocritical.

I don't even I remember if it was me that used the term bullshit consensus, but you certainly seem to imply that one of those people is me and it's not even hard to believe that it would be me. Yet, instead of saying it outright it's all implication.

It's apparent that I have offended you and pissed you off by using it, but instead of voicing it at the time (or maybe you did and I never saw it), you're implying it now. So I'd like to apologize because it was never my intent to say something that you would carry around with you for weeks, something that has pissed you off and made you angry.

However, I do have a request to make. If something I say does make you angry enough for you to catalog it away as an offense against you, something which you will feel compelled to bring up later, can you at least let me know? Because then I can either apologize or at least acknowledge your feelings and because then I will be aware that you are upset. I'd rather just address it at the time than let have something I've said fester for you.

My trying to create a personal fester free zone is the soul reason why I posted what I did about being offended by PMM's comment. She at least has the benefit of knowing that I'm offended and she can do whatever she wants on her end. But she has the information, which is what I'd like.

And no, I didn't want a Movies thread particularly. I've been anti-thread-proliferation since it's been an issue. But since I have always been a loud participant in this thread, yes I did feel singled out by those accusations.

You know what, (and I'm not sure if this will offend you more or not) you weren't even on my radar as one of the people who was vocally involved in wanting the Movie Thread. In other words, my use of bullshit consensus wasn't even about you.

Nevertheless, you feel it was and for that I'm sorry.

If we all spoke up every single time someone said something that offended us, none of us would be speaking.

Just a thought.

If we all spoke up every single time someone said something that offended us, none of us would be speaking.

Hmm. Or would we be speaking all the time?

Honestly, if someone thinks I'm talking to or about them, and I piss them off, I'm more than open to being told about it.

I try and return the gesture.

• *Lots** of skipping on my part. Re proposed question 2: I'm for "closing discussion" when voting's going on, meaning no long discussions of methods of this or that, but it would be nice to have some place to ask questions and get terse answers. Terse being the operative word.

Didn't we vote on majority/no majority? If we did, why this question about voter turnout? Wouldn't it just be majority +1 of total # of voters? Don't answer. I'll threadsuck or something and find it. I know the answer is back there (waving back thread). Ditto where did the Q about seconds come from? And I'll bow out.

Has anyone anywhere done a kind of Executive Summary of what's going on in Beauracracy, which I mangled in spelling? I want to know, but feel weary of reading Every Single Word and wonder if there's a nilly'ed summary....