Sorry. Missed the i on the end.

I now vote for a fractal number of Buffistas.

It wriggles around forever between zero and one, and no matter how much you ask it for more detail, keeps wriggling for ever.

Vote for Fractal MVT! Join the Mandelbrot Set!

Give it to us raw and wriggling!

I think we need an irrational number. That's all I'm going to say.

dying laughing

supporting the fractal suggestion

Should we change "abstain" to "present"?

It seems fair to me that abstentions should count toward "I can see that this is something that should be decided one way or the other but I personally don't care."

If the ballot form can handle the difference between a vote of (shall we change the language from "abstain" to "present") present, and no vote at all, then I agree with the above.

shall we change the language from "abstain" to "present"

How about "no preference" or something like that.

Present, but no preference?

After a moment to think --

Does someone want to produce a new version of the vote thing with different wording, not including the A-word?

Should Buffistas who vote, but vote "no preference either way" be counted toward Minimum Voter Turnout?

or something?

I realise now that "abstain" is just as bad a word as "quorum" because as people have pointed out, it means being present but not voting, and the idea of "presence" is meaningless. That's why we need to stop using it.

Triple Cereal:

And shall we start numbering these revisions of the vote, so that we can say "oh no, I hate version 1.3, can we go back to Sophia's 1.2 [link]"?

Version 1.3 (unfortunately, I also edited 1.2)

A new version:

ITEM 1: FORMAL DISCUSSION THREAD

Do we want a separate thread for actual voting discussions?

A yes vote on this Item means you would like a new thread, that will be solely dedicated to formal discussion of future items put forward for voting. This thread will only be open during the designated days of formal discussion.

A no vote means you do not want a new thread. (Presumably in this case, all discussion will take place in Bureaucracy.)

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ITEM 2: CLOSE DISCUSSION

Do we want to close the talking about a subject when the voting starts?

A yes vote on this item means that you would like to end all discussion on a given item when voting starts.

A no vote means you would like to continue discussion through the voting period.

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ITEM 3: VOTER TURNOUT

How many Buffistas does it take to make a vote count? Do votes of "no preference" count toward this?

For the first question, put a number between 2 and 100 into this box, please: [  ] An AVERAGE (rounded to the nearest whole number) of these numbers will be used to determine the voter turnout

For the second part, it's a simple yes or no.

If you vote yes, you would allow people to register their vote as an "no preference" -- that is, with no preference for either choice -- and that vote would count toward the minimum number

If you vote no, you want only votes that prefer one option to count toward the minimum.

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ITEM 4: SECONDS

a) Should more than one Buffista be needed in order to move something to formal discussion and vote?
b) Please choose a minimum number of people who have to agree with the original proposer before a proposal moves to formal discussion Put a number between 1 and 10 into this box, please: [ ]
You may answer this question even if you choose to vote no to proposal (a)
An AVERAGE of these numbers (rounded to the nearest whole number) will be used to determine the number of people needed to second. [  ]

Thanks Sophia, you're a legend.

Doing it this way may also mean that we can Nilly various important points in the discussion -- "See the latest vote-formulation here".

I have a suggestion:

How many Buffistas does it take to make a vote count? Do votes of "no preference" count toward this?

For the first question [...]

For the second part [...]

I would prefer this moved around like this:

How many Buffistas does it take to make a vote count?

[MVT stuff]

Do votes of "no preference" count toward the MVT?

[no-prefs stuff]

I think it's better to present the two questions serially rather than paralelly...