But you are not reaching a consenus.
Agreed. But, at least for this evening, it's more of a consensus than we got for preferential voting.
I just think it's rather odd that a nation that prides itself on its virility should feel compelled to strap on forty pounds of protective gear just in order to play rugby.
Giles ,'Beneath You'
Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Jon B. - Mar 11, 2003 11:43:56 pm PST #7201 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Ms. Havisham - Mar 12, 2003 2:00:58 am PST #7202 of 10001
And we will call it... "This Land."
X-treme Natter! Don't try this at home!
or: X-treme Natter! We're trying this at home!
Jesse - Mar 12, 2003 4:30:26 am PST #7203 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I just want to say that I love the idea of being able to enter my own MVT number. I was kind of afraid that the choices would end up being 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, and I would somehow have to rank those, which would be impossible because everyone should know THE RIGHT ANSWER IS 50. Ahem.
PaulJ - Mar 12, 2003 4:48:51 am PST #7204 of 10001
Add me to the idea of averages. I guess it's 8 to 1 then...
Why don't we try preferential voting for the Natter 10 title, anyway?
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Sophia Brooks - Mar 12, 2003 5:13:48 am PST #7205 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
The thing is, Gar is right-- we just reached another false consensus. It is impossible to reach a true consensus. That is whay we're voting.
I'm still OK with "average number"
What I am more concerned about is that we decided to have X number of days of formal discussion before a vote, and I think we should announce the beginning of the discussion in Press.
Theodosia - Mar 12, 2003 5:27:01 am PST #7206 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Doesn't asking Buffista voters to pick a number between 10 and 100, and then averaging the answer tend to guarantee picking a number in the middle of the range (i.e. 50-60) -- what I mean there is very little chance of arriving at a number like 90 or 15? I'm assuming that people will be picking numbers all over the map, though even if we have a bunch voting ten and another bunch voting 100, it would still pull towards averaging in the middle...?
Maybe it's just early and I'm not processing numbers as well as I ought....
Jessica - Mar 12, 2003 7:33:28 am PST #7207 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Doesn't asking Buffista voters to pick a number between 10 and 100, and then averaging the answer tend to guarantee picking a number in the middle of the range (i.e. 50-60)
Not necessarily -- if most people think the MVT should be 25, that'll skew the average lower.
I like X-Treme Natter.
Laura - Mar 12, 2003 7:41:23 am PST #7208 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.
X-treme Natter! We're trying this at home!
Sweet!
If half of the voters go for 10ish and half go for 100ish, yes it will end up middleish, but this is a risk I am willing to take.
Nutty - Mar 12, 2003 7:53:08 am PST #7209 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
All I see is people saying "I don't like the fact that we've been discussing this for a long time and in a lot of detail..."
FWIW, I wouldn't have believed it till I saw it that people can get into screaming arguments about voting methods. But I did see it, and witnessing a screaming argument can be so upsetting to many Buffistas that I think they (certainly I, for a while) just back away slowly and want nothing to do with it. The fact that last night's posts still managed to get rude and snippy means that, yeah, it's still Must Avoid Territory for a lot of people.
What burns me out? Length and repetitiveness of posts, intricacy of detail and example, people talking past one another and being unable to agree on what words (i.e. "quorum") mean long enough to use those words for a purpose. And really, the sense that I, as a Buffista Good Citizen, have to read 500 posts about a topic I find abstruse and boring! (I say "have to" because citizenship means being concerned about maintaining the community.) Obviously, some people love this stuff, but just as obviously, it's confusing and feels like criminal over-thinking to other people.
Have we got a formal proposal (I mean one that hasn't been tinkered with since it was posted)? Let's get something on the table and vote on it, in a desperate attempt to get this over with. Let's stop being academic and "what-if", and do it already.
DavidS - Mar 12, 2003 7:59:07 am PST #7210 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Let's get something on the table and vote on it, in a desperate attempt to get this over with. Let's stop being academic and "what-if", and do it already.
pumps fist!