So how do we get past that. Because my brain is rapidly failing and I am about to leave my house and go to a liquor store.

Yep. I got the whip. I ain't afraid to use it.

In fact, I'm really looking for an excuse to use it.

it's a false consensus of the handful of peeps who still have enough brainspace to come into Kafka at this point.

Right about now, I'm thinking that if you don't come into Kafka, you don't expect to have your silent wishes taken into account.

I know that's what I give up when I stay out, anyway.

In absence of any other way to move forward, why stay put?

Right about now, I'm thinking that if you don't come into Kafka, you don't expect to have your silent wishes taken into account.

True, that. Well, sort of true.

I'm not sure, if one has given up on this thread, that one even is aware that there are opinions or options up for offer.

But, eh, can't force people to give a good g-d damn.

I'm not sure, if one has given up on this thread, that one even is aware that there are opinions or options up for offer.

But if you've given it up, surely you know stuff is being argued about and decided upon? That's what it's always been for. If you stay out (reasonable choice of action), then that's precisely what you're missing, including the specifics.

But if you've given it up, surely you know stuff is being argued about and decided upon?

Yerp.

So really, I guess if the specifics bug you when you learn about them later, and you weren't reading, it's your own damned fault.

I just want more people to be willing to read.

I don't mean this as a personal attack on anyone because lord knows I'm probably just as guilty of scaring people away as anyone, but I think the reason people get frustrated is that we're so bogged down in the minutia of the process, that we haven't been able to decide anything.

This. The people who aren't the Go14, are the people who don't have the stomach/patience/time/stamina/stubborness/(put word here) to sit and split the hairs of Voting Process. And frankly, I don't blame them.

Also, if the two choices are preferential voting (PV) and runoff, and PV is a form of runoff, let's try PV and stop dicking around. Please.

Whatever.

I think I withdraw my objections and stand in the "don't even care anymore, even though I think it's a bad idea" corner.

I don't think there's consensus, I do think that doing it just this once will end up swinging things/confusing things re: "should we have pref. voting", but I'm too tired to lucidly state my opinion, so as above, whatever.

I mentioned earlier that I voted in the city election today. From the local newspaper...

Fewer than 20 percent of the registered voters are expected to participate in many of the 16 municipal elections that include West Palm Beach, election officials said.

When I left the polling place the poll worker said, "You are one of the few who has the right to bitch tomorrow." Then when I got home I started reading this conversation.

What I think we should do is that we should post in press when we enter formal discussion. Then again when it is time to vote.

I don't know if we are in formal discussion mode yet.