explicitly mentioned on the original ballot
And runoffs were the solution?
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John H - Mar 04, 2003 2:54:24 pm PST #6777 of 10001
PaulJ - Mar 04, 2003 2:55:05 pm PST #6778 of 10001
Preferential voting isn't required for votes with three or more options, it's required for votes with three or more options that need 50%+1.
Nope. One can decide that, if no option gets 51%, no action should be taken. Or one can decide to go through a series of run-offs.
Don't try to sneak this one below us, you stealthy preference-supporter you. The Simplicity Police will catch you and sentence you to live in an infinite time-loop in Florida circa Dec. 2000.
§ ita § - Mar 04, 2003 2:55:32 pm PST #6779 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
And runoffs were the solution?
No. It was a TBD. I'm just paranoid about already considered TBDs creeping onto this simple vote, so I'm projecting onto you something you may not have been saying.
Burrell - Mar 04, 2003 2:56:11 pm PST #6780 of 10001
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Question on the "vote" that begins tonight. Is it a vote, as in, should I vote for which definition of majority I would prefer to use in future votes? Or is it a poll simply asking me to indicate what I thought I was voting for when I voted? Because for me, those two questions have different answers.
Wolfram - Mar 04, 2003 2:57:35 pm PST #6781 of 10001
Visilurking
Are we still arguing over the "majority" poll? What hasn't been decided yet? Obviously preferential voting can't be on the poll because a) it isn't inherent in the word majority and b) a third option would be a logistically circular and paradoxical - The poll is to determine how to tally the results of a poll with more than two options - so you can't put more than two options on the poll or we won't know how to tally the results.
John H - Mar 04, 2003 2:57:53 pm PST #6782 of 10001
Don't try to sneak this one below us, you stealthy preference-supporter you.
I'm not, I swear.
I'm saying the situation may very well be that Buffistas just wanted a Most Votes Wins system.
Such a system does not require a prefs-voting system.
As soon as we know what Buffistas wanted, I'll meet you all back here and we can start talking again, but we really don't know.
I really really want a vote on What Buffistas Actually Wanted The First Time.
Nothing else.
Sophia Brooks - Mar 04, 2003 2:58:12 pm PST #6783 of 10001
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How about this?
A Poll:
What did you think a "simple majority" meant at the time you voted?
Choice 1: 50% of the vote, + 1 vote
Choice 2: Whichever option have the most votes wins (even if there are three or more choices)
Anathema - Mar 04, 2003 2:58:12 pm PST #6784 of 10001
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OK, joking aside, we are really getting somewhere aren't we?
You have got to be joking.
John H - Mar 04, 2003 3:01:46 pm PST #6785 of 10001
What did you think a "simple majority" meant at the time you voted?
Choice 1: 50% of the vote, + 1 vote
Choice 2: Whichever option have the most votes wins (even if there are three or more choices)
OK.
But "50% of the vote, + 1 vote"? It's a little head-scratchy.
How about "Only options that get more than fifty percent of the vote win", contrasted with "The options that get most votes win".
Wolfram - Mar 04, 2003 3:02:59 pm PST #6786 of 10001
Visilurking
What did you think a "simple majority" meant at the time you voted?
Without opening a can of worms, I think that the poll should just state the two "definitions" of simple majority and find out the buffista preference. This way the vote won't be closed to people who voted supermajority or didn't vote in the first election, and there won't be any complaints about people changing their minds.