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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Wolfram - Mar 04, 2003 2:57:35 pm PST #6781 of 10001
Visilurking

Are we still arguing over the "majority" poll? What hasn't been decided yet? Obviously preferential voting can't be on the poll because a) it isn't inherent in the word majority and b) a third option would be a logistically circular and paradoxical - The poll is to determine how to tally the results of a poll with more than two options - so you can't put more than two options on the poll or we won't know how to tally the results.


John H - Mar 04, 2003 2:57:53 pm PST #6782 of 10001

Don't try to sneak this one below us, you stealthy preference-supporter you.

I'm not, I swear.

I'm saying the situation may very well be that Buffistas just wanted a Most Votes Wins system.

Such a system does not require a prefs-voting system.

As soon as we know what Buffistas wanted, I'll meet you all back here and we can start talking again, but we really don't know.

I really really want a vote on What Buffistas Actually Wanted The First Time.

Nothing else.


Sophia Brooks - Mar 04, 2003 2:58:12 pm PST #6783 of 10001
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How about this?

A Poll:

What did you think a "simple majority" meant at the time you voted?

Choice 1: 50% of the vote, + 1 vote

Choice 2: Whichever option have the most votes wins (even if there are three or more choices)


Anathema - Mar 04, 2003 2:58:12 pm PST #6784 of 10001
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Bureaucracy II: Like Kafka, Only Not As Funny

OK, joking aside, we are really getting somewhere aren't we?

You have got to be joking.


John H - Mar 04, 2003 3:01:46 pm PST #6785 of 10001

What did you think a "simple majority" meant at the time you voted?

Choice 1: 50% of the vote, + 1 vote

Choice 2: Whichever option have the most votes wins (even if there are three or more choices)

OK.

But "50% of the vote, + 1 vote"? It's a little head-scratchy.

How about "Only options that get more than fifty percent of the vote win", contrasted with "The options that get most votes win".


Wolfram - Mar 04, 2003 3:02:59 pm PST #6786 of 10001
Visilurking

What did you think a "simple majority" meant at the time you voted?

Without opening a can of worms, I think that the poll should just state the two "definitions" of simple majority and find out the buffista preference. This way the vote won't be closed to people who voted supermajority or didn't vote in the first election, and there won't be any complaints about people changing their minds.


Jon B. - Mar 04, 2003 3:03:03 pm PST #6787 of 10001
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In other words: those who want a 51% majority would be implicitly voting that, if there's no such majority, no action should be taken. No run-offs

Were there really people who believed this? That is there were three choices that received 40%, 35%, and 25%, that no action would be taken? The vote was for Majority vs. a Supermajority. I think folks expected that something would win, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.

I like Sophia's ballot, but that's cause it's pretty much what I said upthread. ;)


John H - Mar 04, 2003 3:03:09 pm PST #6788 of 10001

OK the plurals there are making me hate it.

How about "an option has to get more than fifty percent of the vote to win" and "whichever option gets the most votes wins".


Sophia Brooks - Mar 04, 2003 3:04:36 pm PST #6789 of 10001
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Nope, that is a good idea John.

So

What did you think a "simple majority" meant at the time you voted?

Choice 1:Only options that get more than fifty percent of the vote win (even if there are three or more choices)

Choice 2: Whichever option have the most votes wins (even if there are three or more choices)

Now, as Burrell has asked (several times) is this a Poll or a vote?

OK.


PaulJ - Mar 04, 2003 3:06:43 pm PST #6790 of 10001

Were there really people who believed this? That is there were three choices that received 40%, 35%, and 25%, that no action would be taken?

I have seen it suggested by at least one person, way upthread. I think it was DavidS, but don't quote me on that.